I8ABMR said reliability was the priority.

Still, an objective opinion about the VSC is acceptable.

Problem would be solved if there was a package available as I8ABMR described. I would've bought it. I guess a lot of people (the masses, the profit focus) need the safety as someone pointed out and they like the VSC. While others want to drive it more aggressive and would like less handholding.

That is why Lexus offered to do a VSC/TRAC defeat, because too many complained VSC & TRAC was too intrusive. Hence they did the pedal dance to defeat that feature for 2006. For 2007, it was corrected with the VSC/TRAC defeat with a push of a button.

Great quote ....
Sounds like BS bingo to me

Im confused
- leave the trac control on and the car is very safe to drive which is what the system is designed for.
Im sure all of this occurs on the track and not on the street right ?
Since your such a great driver just turn it off ...

To lighten it up a bit, I8ABMR, what would your license plate be if you went to a Infiniti or Beamer??

Anybody can design a VSC system that is slow in reaction. To design a system that can act fast is much harder.

I just do it sometime for fun but never really do it that much because it can be kind of unconformable.

No BS bingo here, just a real enthusiast ( and a little auto egineering jargon). Sounds like your the point A to point B kind of guy. I am not. If you dont understand the quote then I would assume you also dont understand the engineering and dynamics of the systems in your car. I would recommend reading some automotive books not just magazines, they get way more technical and objective. Or ask if you are confused . Dont be rude and make fun of what I am discussing. This isnt what this Lexus community is about. As far as racing on the streets, HELL YES it has happened. Id be a liar to say it hasnt. Not taking this thing to a track. And yes because I am such a great driver ( no point A to point B BS here) I do turn off the system. I was asking if anyone else does it as well. THe system can be danderous if you are trying to turn onto a highway where the speed limit is 55 ( means70) and traffic is coming. You pull out and turn right and start to acclerate and the traction control shuts you down. Now you have a 3 second pause in engine output and brake pressure applied. This translates into you stalling there when you have at least 2 cars coming towards the rear of the car really fast. The road I am talking about is also steeply graded downhill ( I live on a mountain). This means the people heading towards me are even less likely to be able to quickly slow down.

My plate was on my G35. It was made for the G35. The GS is not as much the beamer eater ( poor handling). people think its funny as hell so I kept it. I was going to change it, but its a bit of my signature

Thats not the case. Its actually the opposite. Its much harder to design adjustable or variable traction control settings. Look at the cars who have them . M3, GTR, GM's new vettes, and Lotus. what they do is to create variable threshold in the system therefore allowing the driver more wheel spin , slip angle, and oversteer before the system reacts ( hope its not to much BS Bingo for silver 2000). THe system will use the cars ABS system and the cars differential as a tool to put the car back on the road by measuring wheels speeds . This info is set to a computer with a set threshold ( engineers and legal set this). If that set variance in wheel spped is met, then the ABS system will react by applying pressure to individual wheels and the diferential will or can lock variably. Example it will slow the inner wheel to stop oversteer and the outer wheel to stop oversteer. With the new performance cars they are creating cars that that have sport settings (DSC or Ferrari's mannetino) that can be adjusted by the driver that will allow more wheel speed variance, slip angle and oversteer before the systems reacts to slow wheel speeds and engine output. Therefore creating the birth of the newer high performance systems that we see today in the exotic and high power supercars that we all love so much. On cars like the M3 the driver will need more freedom on corner exit to rotae the car by inducing oversteer with the throttle or traibraking. This is the new breed of system created by designers and engineers to satisfy people like myself. If we kill ourselves the company will just say " well he had the system turned to sport, race" or whatever the manufacturer decides to call its more liberal setting, so they carry no responsibility. It was set by the driver. So to create software and systems that will allow the driver this variability while keeping us safe is far more complex

Okay family, lets be nice. silver2000, I8ABMR is explaining what happened(s) to him, let us give him the benefit of the doubt and I expect everyone to remain civil going forward.

My 2 cents:
1. The VSC cutting power issue also affects the 2GS. For those that drive super aggressively or don't want it occuring, well they bought a LSD for the GS and VIOLA, no more VSC issue. Try trying a 2002 RX 300, it is FAR worse in that vehicle to the point it disgusts me.
2. The GS 350 does not have VDIM, so I am assuming a GS with VDIM would not cut in so obtrusively, according to Lexus. It should be seamless.
3. I don't think a Porsche Cayman S or M3 have a LSD as well as a few other cars that you would THINK have it. The GS just isn't a car that will have one. the IS-F doesn't either (and C&D just wrote they wish it had one). As one who drove the IS-F at the track, there is now way you would need a LSD on the road, you have to be really wringing out the track to need it.

So I guess my question is does anyone offer a LSD for the 3GS?

The variable VSC in the Ferrari's mannetino is state of art, Its a Ideal system that will fits almost everybody, but GS is a $50000 car, not one that cost as much as a Ferrari. In the Lexus IS-F, it has what Lexus called a sport tune stabililty system which allows more wheel spin. Here in New England, the stability system is great for driving in the snow. If Lexus slow down the stability system, the GS would be horrible in the snow. Varible system is Ideal, but I wouldnt want to pay another $5000 for it. Just a guess on the price

I wasnt trying to become uncivilized. Im just trying to offer the counter point that the car is designed to be driven on the street. If the traction control comes on and it controlling wheel spin puts you at risk, you were ALREADY at risk and the system was doing what its designed to do - to keep you on the road going in the same direction. Dont blame the safety system for putting you at risk - its the DRIVER.

My vehicle before the GS put 400+ hp and 500+ ft lbs of torque to the rear wheels. It was stolen - I bought the GS. For me the traction control is a good thing. In the first 2 days I owned the car It started raining, in my old vehicle driving in the rain could be VERY tricky. I was concerned backing out of my driveway that I might be putting my new baby at risk in the rain. I was very pleasantly surprised that the GS had systems that allowed me to not worry wheel spin in the rain in my brand new car. AND there is a button on the console that I can use to turn it off. If Im going to drive the car in a spirited fashion I turn on the power tans setting and turn off the TCS. And I dont pull out in front of people in a way that would make them have to do evasive moves if the car stumbles. In my opinion thats irresponsible. If I do it and something happens I blame myself not the car.

I8ABMR - I use my GS as a daily driver - Its barely sporty enough to keep me interested. Dont get me wrong I love the car, I think I made a great choice BUT in my opinion, its neither a sports car NOR a muscle car. I intend to buy something else as a toy to be used on the track.

1SICKLEX - In the same way that you asked me to give I8ABMR the benefit of the doubt - Why not do the same for me ?

I think whats frustrating me with the GS is the overall handling feel. My G35 previously was a daily driver and occasional track machine ( I would switch back and forth between my 20's and stock 17's with NITTO track tires). The suspension was fully tuned and set perfectly. The car could handle anthing the street could dish out and most of what the track could as well. The Gs is a big fat cruiser with a solid motor. The G35 was also 350 Z based ( same chasis, brakes, suspension) so it potential performance and stock performance was way over the GS. The problem was reliability and quality. The G35 I had was 2003 purchased in july of 2002. It was the earliest of the earliest production models so it had the notoious bugs and " teething problems". The lexus is far superior in quality, design, fit and finish. The infiniti was more fun to drive. Its a trade that I am still getting used to. THe BMW I said I might consider in the future ( blasphemy) will provide me the handling of my G35 with most of the quality and reliability of the lexus. What I will probably do is get another G35 sedan in the future when iut becomes the g37 sedan because I am a JDM freak. 330 hp, paddle shifters, lsd, staggered wheel setup, and enough room for my 6'5" frame. And all of that for 10k cheaper. Its a no brainer. Lexus will need to jazz up th IS a little as well to keep up with the new infiniti products. I didnt get another G35 bec mine was having alot of issues before I got rid of it and I wanted something new. My last car was a car show winner and was in a tuner magazine. I figured I have done this platform and company and I wanted to move on to another vehicle and make that I could learn about. I will admit the G35 guys did get a little more hardcore when it came to tuning ( they discuss changing internal engine parts, forced induction ,upgrading LSD, changing gear ratios for the track, ecu retuning, etc). Lexus guys seem to be more about cosmetics and accesories when tuning ( rims, springs, body kits, grilles, ipod adapters). Its just a different kind of car and its pretty cool to learn more about the luxury/VIP tuning scene.

400 hp and 550 ft/lb of torque!!! What the hell were you driving? I am sorry that your baby was stolen. Thats the worst thing. I always say dont mess with a mans family, money, or his car. I was thinking maybe to buy a 1994-96 Nissan 240 ( S13) for dirt cheap or the newer S14. Take out the stock motor ( USDM model actually has a truck motor in it) and drop in an SR20DET motor that has a turbo and is much more easily tuned for more power. Add coilovers, 17 light weight wheels, roll cage, etc and for about6-7k you can build a really nice track day beater that will bring me the excitement of the track back, but at the same time I will be able to retain my luxury car

It was only 500 ftlbs

Here is a movie of my truck from back in 2001 or so
and a picture or 2


Its not actually my truck in the picture - I took the picture and Marks truck looks exactly like mine - I just really like the picture - Line lock makes for good pictures

Here is a picture of mine from Norwalk Raceway


Again - I not in it - I took the picture - A friend was running it it the Top Truck and Street Ford classes -

Finally - at motorsport ranch in Kresson Texas