LeX2K

Waste heat is nice in the winter but running A/C in an ICE car is hugely inefficient. Toyota hybrids are better the compressor is electric, but ultimately the gas engine is the power source.

Another plus for EVs is they can heat or cool the cabin no matter where they are parked.

Kense

I just got back from Lake Tahoe during a major blizzard last week and saw a ton of Tesla's. I was shocked to see so many charging stations in the middle of nowhere in Northlake Tahoe, like it or not EV's aren't going anywhere.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

i didn't say it 'worried me' and it's not about me. and yes, i'm aware of those options since they've only been posted thousands of times.

oh really? i must have missed the 5000 times that's been posted on cl.

i've got better things to do that sit in a warm car for 20+ minutes.

oh really? not that i want this to be another gas vs ev thread (that WASN'T the point and i never mentioned gas cars), i frequently gas up my vehicles while they're running if a passenger needs heat/ac.

of course. that wasn't the point of the thread.

instead of getting defensive or calling people imbeciles, can't everyone agree that ev charging when on a trip is too slow even if the owner doesn't do it too often?

AMIRZA786

I totally agree. I would love charging to be 10 minutes or less. It's one of the adoptions sacrifices we have to make. But as you can see from the number of EV's being sold and the number of Tesla's on the road, it's an inconvenience we totally accept. I wouldn't go back in a million years

LeX2K

This is against federal law I'm surprised any gas station would let you do this they can get in big trouble allowing it.

AMIRZA786

LOL there's no way a minimum wage store clerk is going to come out into the cold and make you shut off your engine

LeX2K

Here they will tell you via speaker, if you keep the engine running they shut off the pump. You probably forgot how gas stations work lol

SW17LS

Clearly you must have or you wouldn't have posted something so silly, quite frankly.

Better than standing out in the cold for 20 minutes which was the whole point of what you posted. Nobody would ever do that nor do they need to.

Thats illegal and very dangerous.

The issue is not the thread, its this comment:

That makes no sense because you have a heated car right there you would sit in

I didn't call anybody an imbecile, but the whole concept of that comment is ridiculous, because its something that would never be necessary. Everybody here is smart enough to not stand out in the freezing cold for 20 minutes while their car charges. If I recall when I mentioned in the other thread that I had to get out and pump gas in the cold and I looked forward to not having to do that again you told me I should just go sit in the car.

Its like standing in the rain waiting for a bus next to a covered bench and complaining that waiting for a bus in the rain is horrible.

Do I think 20 minutes is too long to charge an EV in the rare occasion it has to be charged out on the road? Honestly...no I don't.

This thread is just flamebait, and its closure was a foregone conclusion when you posted it.

Toys4RJill

I honestly never knew it was illegal. I remember a friend of mine and I were out. He had intermittent starting problems. So he gassed up with the motor running.

I remember a long time ago. Someone pulled up next to me, pulled out their Jerry can and started to pump gas….he had a smoke dangling from his mouth. 1980s. Boy do I miss that decade

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

thank you for your input. you didn't have to contribute and post here then with inflammatory comments.

Margate330

C'mon, why you wanna trash someone thread.

SW17LS

Because these EV threads are becoming a nightmare, and if we don't be selective about what we post we're going to wind up not being allowed to discuss EVs.

SW17LS

The thread is not the issue, its absurd statements within the thread like "people have to stand out in the freezing cold or hang out in a convenience store for 20 minutes while their EV charges" that draw angry responses that create the problem. Thats disinformation, its not true.

AMIRZA786

This is not meant to be ICE vs EV. I'm not saying one is better than the other, and I have no interest in debating this particular point. The Polestar forum has probably nearly 100K members (according to the mods who run it), with 16.M daily views. I would imagine the Tesla forums have 5 to 10 times those numbers. The Polestar forum is a mixture of people from all over the world, mostly European owners with a large number of North Americans (Canada and the US). The majority of Polestar owners were previous owners of ICE vehicles, and some even currently own both (like an SUV or minivan). From my experiences with Tesla owners, it's about the same, most came from ICE vehicles and many still own both. I know forum members tend to be very enthusiastic about the current vehicles they own, but if you were to Poll both forums asking them if they would go back to ICE, you would get an overwhelming no. This is factoring in driving in cold temps, charging for 20 minutes in the cold while travelling, and range. The vast majority would not go back. In fact an Axios poll showed that 65.3 percent of EV owner bought another one

https://www.axios.com/2022/10/05/ev-...-electric-cars

lexusnyca

What Tesla forums do you read? I sometimes read teslamotorsclub.com, are there any larger ones?