Me if I don't get what I paid for.

 

Gene gets it.

 

how are the idrive upgrades going for all the bmw owners over the years? oh wait...

as for upgrading older teslas, i'd say if the customer isn't committing to buying or subscribing to fsd then they don't need the upgrade so the impact will be a lot lower than doing all of them.

 

BMW promised idrive upgrades for life? News to me.
Lets not blatantly make up fake news, unless that was part of your buyers contract for the new Tesla?

I will say, that Tesla has pushed the industry more then anyone else has in terms what is considered acceptable for new cars (remember the days of heated seats being an S class thing). That position has been somewhat abandoned, and now its CHdm thats pushing what should be the standard for modern automotive kit (Oleds, crazy gpu capabilities, personal ai integration).

 

I should really stay out of this argument, but my understanding is that Tesla promised FSD to the original owners back in 2016 who purchased it, around $15k at the time. If you never purchased FSD or use it on 'subscription' basis like I do, I don't think that promise carries. This is what Google says:

"Initial promise:
In 2016, Tesla stated that all new cars would be capable of unsupervised self-driving, a promise that has not been fully met.

Current reality:
The company has shifted its definition to "FSD (Supervised)," which requires the driver's full attention and hands on the wheel at all times.

Ongoing development:
The promise is now a continuous one as the software is still being improved, but the timeline for achieving unsupervised autonomy has been repeatedly extended"

 

I'll bet there are very few people who actually the paid 8K to 15K for the feature who would be so quick to make excuses for Tesla or dismiss the failure with platitudes and strawman arguments.

 

for the dozen people that paid $15k for fsd in 2016 i’m sure they’ll work something out.

bold part is simply untrue.

let’s see what tesla does before conviction.

 

I guess Google hasn't caught up with the times

 

Exactly. The apologists are working overtime on this one.

 

I disagree. I think being conservative a Cyber Cab could generate atleast $100 per day.

 

Again, I'm talking about having my Tesla go out and drive people around when I'm not driving it...not really sure the difference between "Robotaxi" and "Cybercab", but do you know any Uber drivers? $100 a day is not as easy to make as you would think even going out and working for like 7+ hours. Your Tesla needs to be driven by you, and it needs to charge...

 

This is what Chatgpt says:

• Per cab per day revenue = 16 hours × $25 = $400
  
• Fleet total per day = 1,000 × $400 = $400,000/day
  
• Per month (30 days) = $400,000 × 30 = $12,000,000/month
  
• Per year (350 days) = $400,000 × 350 = $140,000,000/year
  

So in this scenario, the fleet generates ~$140 million annually.

You can also break it down per cab:

• Per cab per year = $400/day × 350 = $140,000
  
• Per cab per month = $400/day × 30 = $12,000
  

If instead you assume $30/hour revenue:

• Per cab per day = 16 × 30 = $480
  
• Fleet per day = 1,000 × 480 = $480,000
  
• Monthly = $14.4 million
  
• Yearly = $168 million
  

Keep in mind this is revenue, not profit

 

We're also talking about different things. If you're operating a fleet of Cybercabs and they are just cabs then sure, $25k revenue a year per unit is easy.

 

If you break it down, it's basically $400 a day per cab. That's $1,600 a month, or $19,200 a year. I don't know how much of that is profit, but let's say it's $10k profit...that would pay a lot of bills if you just consider this additional income. I do IT consulting on the side, so in addition to my real job, I make about that on consulting I do on the side. Not bad

 

The current revenue potential of operating a car as a rideshare doesn't necessarily translate to the future Robotaxi world. If the Robotaxi capability were ever to become easily and widely available, then pricing is going to fall through the floor as supply will greatly, and instantly, exceed demand.