Consumer Reports Real World EV Range - 22 EVs Tested
12-05-23, 01:58 PM
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12-05-23, 02:05 PM
#17
Lexus Champion
Mark always separates Tesla when he reviews EV's. You can listen to his reviews on most EV's yourself. He'll mention Tesla being ahead in battery tech, infrastructure, etc. Tesla is one category and most other EV's...disposable
12-05-23, 02:08 PM
#18
Lexus Champion
12-05-23, 02:12 PM
#19
Racer
Thread Starter
My friend in his 2023 MYLR just sent me this. He said the top line is him driving 80mph with the heat on, 2 adults and 2 small kids in the car along with luggage. The part he circled was his total for the trip.
He said he made 8 charging stops total.
The rest of that chart I honestly don’t know what it mean.
For the top line, the part where they drove at 80, they averaged 344 Wh/mi which translates to 2.9 mi/kWh. For the Model Y, this translates to a total range of 218 miles at 100% if driven at 80.
As a reminder, Model Y is rated at 330 miles of range.
12-05-23, 02:19 PM
#20
Racer
Thread Starter
I don't feel like that's very good for the Model Y. Our EQS SUV does 310 Wh/mi at 70 mph. It has worse aero than Model Y and is 2000 lbs heavier.
At 310 Wh/mi, Model Y can only achieve 241 miles of range (EPA rated 330 mi)
At 310 Wh/mi, EQS SUV can achieve 348 miles of range (EPA rated 285 mi)
For what it's worth, at 70 mph in our Model Y we get 285 Wh/mi which translates to 263 miles of range (EPA rated 318 mi with the 20" wheels we have)
At 310 Wh/mi, Model Y can only achieve 241 miles of range (EPA rated 330 mi)
At 310 Wh/mi, EQS SUV can achieve 348 miles of range (EPA rated 285 mi)
For what it's worth, at 70 mph in our Model Y we get 285 Wh/mi which translates to 263 miles of range (EPA rated 318 mi with the 20" wheels we have)
12-05-23, 02:21 PM
#21
He just texted me he was traveling 80mph on the 109 mile drive stretch and he said it was not efficient whatsoever.
Also on the rest of the drive he was traveling 72-78mph but 2.5 hours of it was on back roads in Mississippi and Alabama between 45-60mph.
Also on the rest of the drive he was traveling 72-78mph but 2.5 hours of it was on back roads in Mississippi and Alabama between 45-60mph.
12-05-23, 02:26 PM
#22
Pole Position
Again, the article talks about "real world" range relative to EPA estimates, but it isn't - it's a 100% highway test which bears little relevance to most real world driving or the EPA estimates which assume a 55/45 city/highway blend. it's also a test that will automatically disadvantage a huge EV like mine given the small matter of aerodynamic drag which is greater at highway speeds and is proportional to the square of speed. My truck is remarkably efficient in town, but higher speed is inevitably going to have a bigger impact on a bigger vehicle than a smaller vehicle. I'm not generally a CR basher, but this test strikes me as an odd one. Again, no manufacturer claims their vehicles meet EPA estimates ar highway speeds. That most get within a reasonable distance of it and even more so that some exceed it is remarkable.
12-05-23, 02:30 PM
#23
Racer
Thread Starter
EPA ratings really need to change so that cars can be compared and cross-shopped more easily. The simplest way to do it, IMO, is only advertise the vehicles highway range at a constant 70 mph and that's it. If you do less highway or none at all, then great, just know you'll always exceed the rated range. Road trip a lot? Okay great, you'll know exactly what to expect. I think there would be a lot less negative surprises this way.
12-05-23, 02:37 PM
#24
Lexus Champion
Maybe they need to provide range estimates like they do for fuel consumption? City/Highway/Combined
The capabilities would be pretty clear to me to have an electric car with a range called out something like 320 miles city/280 miles Highway/300 miles combined.
The capabilities would be pretty clear to me to have an electric car with a range called out something like 320 miles city/280 miles Highway/300 miles combined.
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12-05-23, 02:42 PM
#25
Lexus Champion
I don't feel like that's very good for the Model Y. Our EQS SUV does 310 Wh/mi at 70 mph. It has worse aero than Model Y and is 2000 lbs heavier.
At 310 Wh/mi, Model Y can only achieve 241 miles of range (EPA rated 330 mi)
At 310 Wh/mi, EQS SUV can achieve 348 miles of range (EPA rated 285 mi)
For what it's worth, at 70 mph in our Model Y we get 285 Wh/mi which translates to 263 miles of range (EPA rated 318 mi with the 20" wheels we have)
At 310 Wh/mi, Model Y can only achieve 241 miles of range (EPA rated 330 mi)
At 310 Wh/mi, EQS SUV can achieve 348 miles of range (EPA rated 285 mi)
For what it's worth, at 70 mph in our Model Y we get 285 Wh/mi which translates to 263 miles of range (EPA rated 318 mi with the 20" wheels we have)
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12-05-23, 04:02 PM
#26
Lexus Fanatic
I have watched them all. Your characterization of his viewpoint is not accurate. Yes he agrees that Tesla is ahead in battery tech etc but he considers all such cars disposable. Meaning who would want an old one?
12-05-23, 04:16 PM
#27
Lexus Champion
No, meaning the most expensive part of the car, namely the battery pack (he also mentions software), which he explains in some of his videos. If I get a chance, I'll lookup those videos and post them
12-05-23, 04:40 PM
#28
Lexus Fanatic
I know exactly what you are talking about, thats not what hes saying.
12-05-23, 04:48 PM
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12-05-23, 04:57 PM
#30
Here are a couple examples of me trying to average 80mph in a 2015 Prius. I was averaging 49mpg on one stretch and 46mpg on another stretch. Both times traveling 78mph. I want to say at time I would exceed 80mph to try to bring the average up. I’m not sure what the final number was. This was several years ago.
I think it’s rated for 48mpg highway and 51mpg city.