Margate330

Makes me wonder why they did it that way.

It's not an ideal setup. Imo

Mike728

From your linked manual:

AMIRZA786

This seems to be exactly the case. In the case of curbs, the side cameras are used and as stated above, an approximate guess is made, which errs on the conservative side

signdetres

I agree. It’s not ideal and leaves a lot of room on the table for error.

Do I believe Tesla can figure out how to get this working 99% of the time in 99% of scenarios? Yes. But it’s not there yet, nowhere close.

And the fact that they are dabbling with radar and adding it back does give me some further doubts in the camera only system.

If the current camera system had no blind spots and they had a proper front bumper camera, I’d say it would be no issue. But there are literal blind spots.

yeah, not ideal…

AMIRZA786

Because Elon said so. He believes in a Vision only system and believes it can be eventually trained and optimized. There are many people that say it's a cost cutting measure, I've come to believe that's not the case. Tesla could easily add the few hundred dollars they save to customers, so I don't believe it's cost cutting, but more of advancing technology he believes strongly in

LeX2K

Vision only is the future. But there needs to be vision, no camera in the front bumper is stupid. This is one of those things that shows the disconnect between aspiration and reality, very Steve Jobs like.

patgilm

I assume the ultrasonic sensors I have are still working and I assume it is working in conjunction with vision but I have no complaints. Even for parking curbs its accurate enough where it is not an issue and it definitely helps me to not run one over. I do think a 360 overhead view is great in my BMW and is pretty darn accurate when I want to park close to a curb on the right or left side of my car and if Tesla added that it would be even better.

Are they really dabbling with radar? They literally just disabled/capped my radar sensor a couple weeks ago.

AMIRZA786

I totally agree, they need a camera on the front bumper. I've seen the improvements first hand, and vision only can work, but it's just not there yet and a front bumper camera would help it along better

AMIRZA786

If you've received software updates, your ultrasonic sensors are probably disabled, but don't quote me on that

patgilm

Maybe they don't want to put one there in case of potential damage and let's say you get in a minor infraction and it's really minor but affects the camera, that could be costly to fix for the owner (although does a manufacture really care about that, probably not).

patgilm

Well if they disabled it I haven't really noticed it so vision appears to be working pretty good IMO.

LeX2K

Someone needs to grow a pair and tell Elon, bruh we need a bumper camera. Explain logically why and he'll listen. I'd do it on X but I don't have the reach need someone with influence. Hardware 4 has extra camera ports already.

I bet in a week they could have it working with a new camera. Heck it might be already coded for it.
Could be wrong but I believe Tesla left the X and S alone, disabled it on the 3/Y.

AMIRZA786

That could be a reason they didn't put a camera there. Someone backing into your car could cause you visits to the service center

AMIRZA786

As I mentioned in an earlier post, it works really well for me, about 95 percent of the time. Times it's not working, are when there is a camera obstruction

signdetres

Yes, allegedly there have been HW4 Model S and X that already have HD radar added back. Allegedly though.

HD Radar is supposed to be a part of the whole HW4 sensor suite. So far, HW4 has been shipping, but without HD radar.

Meanwhile, yes, they have been disabling the older “standard” radars on cars.

They’ve sent updates that disabled “standard” radar if it was equipped with it.

Cars with ultrasonics still use the parking sensors for parking and Autopilot duties. I do not think they will disable parking sensors on older cars until Tesla Vision can 100% match or exceed the capabilities of the ultrasonics.