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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 05:37 AM
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i guess it was only a matter of time before someone did it... but the article does at least end saying tesla seems to do more for security than other brands.

Tesla cars are susceptible to a nearly irreversible jailbreak of their onboard infotainment systems that would allow owners to unlock a bevy of paid in-car features for free. The stolen perks can run the gamut from better bandwidth to faster acceleration and heated seats, according to a team of academic researchers.

The researchers also found that it's also possible to escape the infotainment system and pivot to the internal Tesla network for authenticating cars, which creates a wide-open highway to more advanced modding — including breaking geolocation restrictions on navigation and self-driving, and the ability to migrate the Tesla's "user profile" to another vehicle.
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i guess it was only a matter of time before someone did it... but the article does at least end saying tesla seems to do more for security than other brands.



full article here...
https://www.darkreading.com/applicat...-paid-features
Anything can be "jailbroken" My younger brother jailbreaks every Apple product he buys. I used to root my Android smart phones back in the day (2010 ). Tesla is basically a computer on wheels. But there are a ton of risks jailbreaking, like opening up your device to exploits, no longer being able to get updates, and of course Tesla finding out and suing you. One of my son's friends was a former Tesla repair tech and offered to unlock a bunch of features (he unlocked FSD), I made him put everything back because I'm 100 percent sure Tesla will find out because all features you enable show up in the app. You're in IT, I don't have explain this to you
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I’ll play the what if…. for a moment. Computers on wheels. Steer by wire. Remote controlled. AI. DOJO. What if the movie Terminator met the movie Maximum Overdrive regarding electric cars. What could go wrong?
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I’ll play the what if…. for a moment. Computers on wheels. Steer by wire. Remote controlled. AI. DOJO. What if the movie Terminator met the movie Maximum Overdrive regarding electric cars. What could go wrong?
More of a possibility than most people know.

Even just as scary, in countries that want to lock people down, just disable their cars, remotely.

Batch process, easily done with a back door.

Tech will enslave mankind in the end, sad to say.

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More of a possibility than most people know.

Even just as scary, in countries that want to lock people down, just disable their cars, remotely.

Batch process, easily done with a back door.

Tech will enslave mankind in the end, sad to say.
It's really not that easy. You need "physical access" to a Tesla to jailbreak it. I'm sure Tesla has back doors, but it doesn't really worry me.

Just having a smartphone alone means they have a lot of information on you. My wife's nephew is in law enforcement, and they solve most of their cases and figure out suspects just by getting access to their smartphone. Just a tip: if you are ever in the mood to commit a crime, leave your smartphone behind
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Jailbreaking a Tesla is something I wouldn’t ever do. Once they find out there is so much more they can do compared to traditional manufacturers. I’ve tuned plenty of cars and only worried about not being able to get something covered under warranty.

With Tesla I feel they could do so much more if they wanted to like not giving updates, locking me out of certain available options if I wanted like FSD, etc. Heck I constantly get put in jail when I use autopilot and they lock me out.
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Funny how when you unlock features on other cars it's "coding" but when it's on a Tesla it's suddenly jailbreaking...
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Funny how when you unlock features on other cars it's "coding" but when it's on a Tesla it's suddenly jailbreaking...
ha, well 'coding' a car is generally for cars that are dumber than rocks.
jailbreaking a phone or a tesla is hacking into something seriously complex.
both can have highly unintended consequences and i disapprove highly of BOTH actions.
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Criminal. Dangerous.
Call me crazy, but breaking into my house and stealing something is wrong.
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Criminal. Dangerous.
Call me crazy, but breaking into my house and stealing something is wrong.
not sure i follow the analogy here... you're saying the car is tesla's and the jailbreaker is breaking in and stealing?

but i agree the IP of the software driving the car is tesla's and people should not hack into it.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
not sure i follow the analogy here... you're saying the car is tesla's and the jailbreaker is breaking in and stealing?

but i agree the IP of the software driving the car is tesla's and people should not hack into it.
I see the analogy because jailbreaking a Tesla as noted above where you are getting full self driving for free by hacking is stealing IMO.

I look at that differently than tuning a car. To me tuning a car isn’t stealing as you are just increasing performance that the manufacturer doesn’t offer.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
not sure i follow the analogy here... you're saying the car is tesla's and the jailbreaker is breaking in and stealing?

but i agree the IP of the software driving the car is tesla's and people should not hack into it.
Yes. It is a concious effort to break in and take something that is not yours.
Sortware is licensed for use. Pay the license.

Jailbreaking only makes for more security, which the honest people pay for.
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Old Aug 7, 2023 | 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i guess it was only a matter of time before someone did it... but the article does at least end saying tesla seems to do more for security than other brands.



full article here...
https://www.darkreading.com/applicat...-paid-features
i have no problem with profesional tuners doing it eventually. If they can fine tune my fuel mix they can change 0 into 1.

But, i would be extremely worried that in such connected car, Tesla could not detect it and then actually disable your supercharger access, which they do for cars that were tampered with. Then your vehicle is worthless.
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Originally Posted by spwolf
i have no problem with profesional tuners doing it eventually. If they can fine tune my fuel mix they can change 0 into 1.

But, i would be extremely worried that in such connected car, Tesla could not detect it and then actually disable your supercharger access, which they do for cars that were tampered with. Then your vehicle is worthless.
exactly. ultimately resistance is futile.
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Old Aug 8, 2023 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by swajames
Funny how when you unlock features on other cars it's "coding" but when it's on a Tesla it's suddenly jailbreaking...
Even coding is an exaggerating word IMO. Connecting and making selections is not coding at all. Even when they manipulate the codes, it's still turning on/off features. I think the choice of word jailbreaking is a better fit because it involves monentary gain. From what I've seen BMW folks "code" for the features that otherwise inactive/hidden. These are not offered in any package/options So technically they are not "stealing" and thus don't go jail if get caught.
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