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Old Mar 28, 2023 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
How is taxing charging up your EV at a public fast charger different than taxing gasoline dispensed at a gas station? This was always going to happen.
Exactly. I don't understand the outrage. Electric cars put the same wear on our roads as ICE cars. If we weren't taxing them you'd essentially have a case where the upper class has their driving subsidized by those who can't afford an electric car(on top of the federal tax subsidy they often get for buying the car in the first place).



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IMO this is just the beginning, they can paint any tax or fee on a blank canvas. No tax for home charging yet.
this seems political more than anything else... how many evs are even there in georgia?
Old Mar 28, 2023 | 05:04 PM
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A ton in places like Atlanta
Old Mar 28, 2023 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by geko29
I'm not even sure how that would be accomplished. How does a home EV charger "look different" to the grid than an electric dryer or pool pump?
Just make it mandatory Wi-Fi connected back to the manufacture to allow charging and it can report on what you do from there.
Old Mar 28, 2023 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
depends on the state, its like in VA where they have to pay personal property taxes on vehicles...in MD all vehicles are basically the same to register
Well, the reason we pay personal property tax in Virginia on our vehicles is that the State Constitution does not allow counties to charge a personal income tax. So, in order to make up the difference (and to fund the local schools, which take up a huge chunk of the budget), these localities tax real estate and vehicle-assessments instead. And we are not paying personal property tax anymore on the full-assessed value of vehicles any more, either.....the rate was significantly lowered a number of years ago.

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Old Mar 28, 2023 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Was a foregone conclusion, no amount of taxes though are going to equal the cost of gas vs the cost of electricity.
Ha! Yeah okay, they absolutely will make it cost the same in the end since they know the money is there.
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I understand, but that still explains the difference in the variance in vehicle registration costs.
Old Mar 28, 2023 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JDR76
Yes, $653 is the tab/plate renewal each year. Goes down slightly each year as there is an element of vehicle value in there. So this year I paid about $1900 for the three cars.
Ouch. Here it's $48 each per year.
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Ha! Yeah okay, they absolutely will make it cost the same in the end since they know the money is there.
Do you really think I would pay $450 a month in EV taxes? Come on, thats absurd. They will tax them to where they make up the tax revenue they lost from vehicle sales. There will be a tax on charging out in the wild, and there will be an increased registration cost, but it will in no way equal $5,400 a year.
Old Mar 29, 2023 | 01:04 AM
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If the intended tax target if this bill is more of outside travelers, then this bill makes sense, otherwise it seems to be targeting a specific group (EV owners) to essentially double tax them, which doesn't seem ridiculous given the bill sponsors are all republican in a Republican controlled legislature.

However it needs to be implemented differently imho. Almost all public ev charge stations require you to register an account. The state can simply find out if you are outside traveler using their roads to excise this tax,.which would make sense (maybe even rental cars as well). But for Georgians, again, it seems like a targeted effort to dissuade EV adoption.

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Old Mar 29, 2023 | 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
How is taxing charging up your EV at a public fast charger different than taxing gasoline dispensed at a gas station? This was always going to happen.
Originally Posted by BrettJacks
Exactly. I don't understand the outrage. Electric cars put the same wear on our roads as ICE cars. If we weren't taxing them you'd essentially have a case where the upper class has their driving subsidized by those who can't afford an electric car(on top of the federal tax subsidy they often get for buying the car in the first place).
I don't have a problem with taxing public charging, but in many places it will be regressive. People with more wealth are going to be much more likely to have home charging. Taxing fuel just isn't as straight forward with electricity. In that same vein, trying to tax people's home charging is a fool's errand, it's going to be impossible to enforce and easy to evade.

Expensive registration/plate renewals is basically a flat tax, and politicians know there isn't enough of an EV owner base to push back in most states, so better to sneak it in now.

The fairest method would be by mileage, and there was a voluntary trial program in the infrastructure bill in the US for that. Insurance companies have already managed to strong arm vehicle tracking onto the public with rate penalties, so there's some precedent already.
Old Mar 29, 2023 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sg021

The fairest method would be by mileage, and there was a voluntary trial program in the infrastructure bill in the US for that. Insurance companies have already managed to strong arm vehicle tracking onto the public with rate penalties, so there's some precedent already.
The obvious outcome will be pay by the mile. Pretty much all vehicles are connected to the internet, the sat nav records where you've been and at what time (so they can charge peak and off-peak usage), and you get a bill every month.
Old Mar 29, 2023 | 05:46 AM
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"The fairest method would be by mileage".

The Great State of Oregon.........if your small economical car gets 45mpg, you will be paying more $$$ for vehicle registration than someone who owns a heavy, gas guzzling 4x4 SUV which gets 12mpg........the reasoning behind this is that Oregon believes you should pay more registration $$$ because you're spending less $$$ for gas than a large, heavy SUV.
Old Mar 29, 2023 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
A ton in places like Atlanta
Rivian is building their second plant there too. Georgia is pushing green hard right now
Old Mar 29, 2023 | 07:06 AM
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all this talk of taxes is making me sick... and somehow people are ok with shoveling money to local, state, and federal coffers for the 'privilege' of getting to work and school, running errands, shopping, etc.

you guys may hate florida for many reasons but i think my registration is $100 a year for 2 cars. no state income tax. 6% state sales tax (i have 1% locally). could be worse...




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