Always fascinated by the dimensions of these three. So I always wanted to create a little comparison which illustrates the dimensions. The specs listed are for the Hybrid version of all the three cars. I put the winning specs in bolded letters for easy reading. In my mind, more size and more weight wins. So don't get mad if you interpret winning specs in a different way. For me I like bigger and heavier. And yes I could've included other metrics but this is what I wanted to do for now. This is just for fun.
It's interesting technically the Camry is a roomier car than the ES in terms of overall volume. The Camrys' wheel F/R wheel track sit just as wide as the ES and the Camry interior is wider in terms of hip and shoulder room!
In a nutshell, the ES is longer in width, has a wider body, and is heavier vs. the Camry, yet has slightly less interior room (apart from overall legroom)
And yes I know the ES technically is the twin of the Avalon and the direct comparison is closer to that, but to me the Camry comparison is more interesting due to the perception of the ES being bigger than the Camry. In some ways, it's not!
I think the ES is larger physically and dimensionally but has thicker interior which eats into the passenger space. Which is fine due to its nature as a premium/upscale car.
The Accord Hybrid is thrown in there for extra.
The Avalon specs are probably bigger than all the above. Maybe I'll add it some time.
The Honda Accords have always been incredibly spacious.
Notice how the EPA interior volume is now 106 cu ft!
Avalon only 103.
Camry only 100.
ES only 98 thanks to standard sunroof and thicker doors with rear window blinds.
Camry and ES have small trunks due to "pinched tail" styling.
Bigger exterior does not necessarily give a roomier interior; a lot to do with space efficiency.
Old 5 Series built-off old 7 Series platform actually roomier, while current 5 Series down to 99 cu ft like discontinued Lexus GS, while E Class smaller again.
Likewise, old Genesis G80 actually more capacious than new lower Genesis G80 with pinched tail styling.
40 years ago, I used to measure legroom with a measuring tape, but these days, I just sit in the front with the front seat adjusted, then sit in the rear - to obtain an overall feel of spaciousness.
I find the measuring tape is very inaccurate, because interiors have a complex shape.
I find the EPA's cubic feet volume measurements far more accurate.
The opening post says that the Camry has the most rear headroom, but what the opening post doesn't say is that the Camry also has the lowest rear seat base, and low rear seat bases are often less comfortable.
Yeah the space efficiency thing is interesting. Also get this... the new civic is technically larger than the ES in its interior. 99 vs 97 cu. ft! But we know the ES has MUCH more legroom... but you wouldn't know by looking purely at the cubic feet volume.
Yes re leg base (if true) is more comfortable with a raised seat for thigh support. Where did you get the Camry has a lower seat base though? I could not find those #s. Are they published?
Yes re leg base (if true) is more comfortable with a raised seat for thigh support. Where did you get the Camry has a lower seat base though? I could not find those #s. Are they published?
I do have a diagram somewhere of where the 2018-24 Camry has had its hip point lowered, but I can't find it.
v However, below is how the current Prius based on compact GA-C platform has had its hip point lowered by 59 mm.
vv Far below, the current 7ES based on midsize GA-K platform has been lowered, with no reference to lowering of the hip point.
Most importantly, I sit in old 2012-18 and new 2018-24 Camries back to back, and I can tell that the new Camries have been lowered.
When grandson Akio took over TMC in 2009, he tried to give TMC more inspired styling and more inspired dynamics.
There was a time when Akio used the motto "No more boring cars".
Hence, the current crop of TMC products have all been lowered including: Corolla, Camry, RAV4, Highlander and even 5LS.
Back in 2012, Akio began using firmer suspension in all new 4GS.
Akio was able to start firmer suspension earlier in the decade than lowering the body, because firmer suspension is only a minor modification, whereas lowering the body requires much more engineering work as well as fabrication.
However, by 2016, internal feedback must have caused TMC to return to softer suspension as the 2016 midlife refreshed 4.5GS went back to softer suspension, ditto 2017 Camry, Corolla, RAV4 and Highlander etc.
In truth, the entire industry has been lowering both their sedans and high riding SUV's including Benz, Beamer, Audi and Honda.
Suspension will always be soft for normal trims and firm for sports trims.
However, I am not sure what the future holds in terms of being lower or taller?
With the next generation Toyota Crown Series, the conventional Crown sedan continues on the RWD-based luxury GA-L platform, however the new Crown also has a high riding version on the FWD-based GA-K platform which is 4" taller.
vvv Hence, you might say that sedans will go forwards to being 4" taller like the forthcoming CrownCrossover Sedan below.
A design epecially well suited to housing forthcomingBEV underfloor battery packs.
The current low hip point Camry and 7ES may not last long afterall...
Did you sit in the trunk? I had an Accord rental in May and not sure how you could say it felt MUCH ROOMIER but I guess that's a subjective opinion.
To me, it felt much roomier. That’s all I can say. After driving the ES for a couple months now, I have much better respect for the Accord Touring. Great car, better handling. The main thing I didn’t like about it was turbo lag. Some days, I wish I would have kept it, but I know I can get 250,000 miles out of the Lexus V6. Not so much out of the Honda turbo 4cyl.
I had an Accord rental in May and not sure how you could say it felt MUCH ROOMIER but I guess that's a subjective opinion.
