bc6152

My observation, owning a 2019 Ultra Lux ES 350, is that the optional noise reduction wheels are useless. It's difficult to compare but I can't discern any difference between my 2013 Lux ES 350 wheels and the 2019 UL with the optional NR wheels... IMO it all comes down to tires with correct pressure and maybe the premium window glass (which I also have).

lesz

I owned 2 Generation 6 ESs. One had the acloustic glass, and the other didn't. I know that there are those here who claim that the acoustic glass makes for less noise, but I couldn't see any difference at all. I'm guessing that having the acoustic glass installed on your car would be very expensive. And doing so would require the removal of door panels to do the installation. Even if the acoustic glass was a bit quieter, there is a reasonable chance that panel removal required to do the installation would end up causing rattles that would be much more annoying than any wind noise could be.

As others have said the biggest difference maker with regard to a quieter cabin is likely the tires and the size of the wheels. On very smooth pavement, I didn't see much difference between the 17" wheels with Michelin tires on my 2013 ES and the 18" wheels with Michelin tires on my 2017, But, on less than smooth pavement, the bigger wheels and lower profile tires on the 2017 produced much more noise than did the smaller wheels and higher profile tires on the 2013.

grp52

Although I've also been guilty of using the term "acoustic" in describing the UL's front side windows laminated glass, AGC automotive the source of the UL front window glass does not classify the Laminated Glass Lamisafe product as an acoustic glass. They do have a product, Laminated Acoustic Glass, that they classify as an acoustic glass with better sound dampening properties than their regular laminated glass product. While it isn't the greatest comparison graph, they have this Normal Laminated versus Acoustic Laminated frequency sound loss comparison graph.

While I couldn't find a specific sound dampening comparison between automotive tempered window glass and AGC automotive's normal laminated Lamisafe product, I did find a comparison graph from Saflex (a different glass company) which has similar comparison curves between normal and acoustic laminated glass that also includes a tempered glass curve along with frequency range bars with labels classifying the range associated with different types of automotive noises, e.g., road, wind, etc. The [Saflex] Sound transmission loss at 20℃ graph shows in red the tempered glass, in purple a normal PVB laminated glass, and in green and blue their offerings of acoustic interlayer laminated glasses.

While one can surmise between the two sets of comparison graphs the Laminated Glass Lamisafe product used in the UL does have better wind noise dampening properties than regular tempered glass, a specialty acoustic laminated glass will provide significantly much greater sound dampening in the wind noise frequency range.

P.S. LexWannabe, there's no particular reason I'm making this acoustic glass comment as a response to your posting. Your posting was just an innocent "drive by" that was convenient to latch onto with the additional "acoustic" glass clarifying info.

johnbutler

my view

the ultra luxury version has special tires and double panel glass to improve sound deadening.

thar said, I do not have that and was also surprised that the sound was loader than I expected when I got an ES. That said, it was still much quieter than my prior cars (all Hondas and acuras). I think it would be hard to find a car that would remain quiet on bad roads or groved pavement.

ESh

Luxury and UL have the noise reduction wheels, not the tires.
The anount of sound deadening is the same, but the hybrids have more sound insulation between the engine and the compartment.

wrangler

The wheels, yes. In addition, I can speak only for my '22 Ultra -- my stock Bridgestone Turanza tires are claimed by the Bridgestone web site to combine "precisely tuned and tested enhancements in the tread to help dampen road noise". Every little bit helps.

mikemu30

Marketing nonsense. Sort of like tartar control toothpaste.

matthewr87

I lived in Texas for a few years. Those concrete freeways are horrible for noise. And sadly the ES350 is not a Rolls Royce.

matthewr87

Just FYI the OEM Bridgestones are horrible tires. Mine were done at 20k miles even with regular rotations. I also had a mind numbing booming and vibration at highway speeds that I thought was a bad wheel bearing or two. Turns out it was those POS tires. Read the reviews on Tirerack; my experience appears quite common.

mikemu30

I had similar horrible experience with the FSport Michelin OEM shoes. My Goodyear Maxlife Assurance tires now give me a silky smooth and quiet ride - absolutely love them.

wrangler

I've had nothing else on this car to compare them to. And I don't have a lot of experience with modern tires, as I don't drive that much. I plan to do homework at replacement time, which I hope will be a bit down the road.

Shaboom

I’m interested in maximizing the smooth and quiet ride on my 2021ES 350. Are the Goodyear Maxlife Assurance that much better than those that came with the car? What makes are these Maxlife tires superior? I’ll get them next time rather tha. Replacing stock with stock if they’re superior.

mikemu30

Night and day. Quiet, treadlife no comparison, zero vibrations, the Michelins were evidently tougher for shops to balance. Love them so much, they're on my wife's RX as well and with 40k on those, looks like they'll last another 30 or so. Her oem Michelin Premiers were toast at 30k.

BBQapple

Dealership delivered my car at 40psi. Rides on the 18s much better at 35psi and no noticeable impact on MPG.

Shaboom

I took my 2021 350 ES tires down to 35 psi when it was delivered two years ago. Happy with that every since.