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Old Mar 17, 2021 | 01:36 PM
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Default ES 250 review by Car and Driver

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
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Old Mar 17, 2021 | 03:27 PM
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It looks like a pretty realistic assessment of both the pluses and minuses of the car.

It is interesting that there has not been much discussion or many posts from owners of the ES250 AWD here on CL. I wonder if Lexus is selling many of them.
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Old Mar 17, 2021 | 04:42 PM
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Honestly, I think the model number alone is a let-down.

250 sounds "discounty," sort of like the 1965 Cadillac Calais.
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Old Mar 17, 2021 | 04:52 PM
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250 = 1992 Renault Twingo




"And what's up with mounting the antenna on the driver's side mirror? Is that so you can break it off and gore anyone who laughs at your car? Because if that's the case, you're going to need a lot of replacement antennas."
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Old Mar 17, 2021 | 06:54 PM
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I’ve been (back) here for almost a month and don’t think I’ve seen a single post from a 250 driver.
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They should have branded the vehicle as ES350 AWD. Another stupid move on Lexus part to badge it as the ES250.
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Or why not keep it consistent with the IS300 AWD and call it ES300 AWD. Since the ES250 uses the same Dynamic Force engine as the ES300H, why not call the ES300H the ES250H? Yep i agree Lexus makes no sense.

Should've been

ES300 AWD
ES300H
ES350

Really the ES350 should be the ES400 by now and have a twin turbo V6 from the LS. Maybe for the 2022 MY when the ES will likely get facelifted.
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Old Mar 19, 2021 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by E46CT
Or why not keep it consistent with the IS300 AWD and call it ES300 AWD. Since the ES250 uses the same Dynamic Force engine as the ES300H, why not call the ES300H the ES250H? Yep i agree Lexus makes no sense.

Should've been

ES300 AWD
ES300H
ES350
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But it does make sense, and the numbering is consistent with how Lexus has named models, including those that are hybrids.

For its hybrid vehicles, Lexus has used a number that is an approximation of the size (in cubic centimeters/10) of an internal combustion engine that would be needed to provide the same power as the combination of the hybrid's internal combustion engine and the power provided by its electric motors. Thus, for the ES 300h, they are saying that the combined power of its ICE and electric motors would be about the same as that of just a 3000 cc ICE. Thus, if the ES250 was a hybrid, it would be named ES300h because the combined power of the 2.5 l ICE and the electric motors would be about the same as that of just a 3 liter ICE. Since the ES250 is not a hybrid, the number that is used is just related to the 2.5 l size of its ICE.

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underpowered and expensive.......flopped badly here in Dubai
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Originally Posted by lesz
But it does make sense, and the numbering is consistent with how Lexus has named models, including those that are hybrids.

For its hybrid vehicles, Lexus has used a number that is an approximation of the size (in cubic centimeters/10) of an internal combustion engine that would be needed to provide the same power as the combination of the hybrid's internal combustion engine and the power provided by its electric motors. Thus, for the ES 300h, they are saying that the combined power of its ICE and electric motors would be about the same as that of just a 3000 cc ICE. Thus, if the ES250 was a hybrid, it would be named ES300h because the combined power of the 2.5 l ICE and the electric motors would be about the same as that of just a 3 liter ICE. Since the ES250 is not a hybrid, the number that is used is just related to the 2.5 l size of its ICE.
Back in the day and before turbos sort of took over, the number in the model was typically the engine size - still is for several Lexus models including the ES350 and RX350.
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Remember the '60 Chevvy with the "409" on the side? No turbo, just raw horsepower... and no emission equipment...
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Originally Posted by bc6152
Remember the '60 Chevvy with the "409" on the side? No turbo, just raw horsepower... and no emission equipment...
For marketing optimism, they should have labeled the vehicle ES350 AWD.
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Originally Posted by bc6152
Remember the '60 Chevvy with the "409" on the side? No turbo, just raw horsepower... and no emission equipment...
And MPG's less than 10!
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Originally Posted by bc6152
Remember the '60 Chevvy with the "409" on the side? No turbo, just raw horsepower... and no emission equipment...
Originally Posted by Mike728
And MPG's less than 10!
The 1968 Camaro that I owned had the 4 barrel 328 cubic inch engine. If I was lucky, I might have gotten 8 or 9 mpg. Of course, my driving style at that point in my life was not aimed at fuel efficiency.

At that time, there were 2 gas stations that were right across the street from each other, and they engaged in continuous gas price wars. Typically, gas might have been around $.29 per gallon at that time.
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Originally Posted by lesz
The 1968 Camaro that I owned had the 4 barrel 328 cubic inch engine. If I was lucky, I might have gotten 8 or 9 mpg. Of course, my driving style at that point in my life was not aimed at fuel efficiency.

At that time, there were 2 gas stations that were right across the street from each other, and they engaged in continuous gas price wars. Typically, gas might have been around $.29 per gallon at that time.
My '77 Grand Prix was a 4 barrel 400 cu in.
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