After 30 years driving LS400, 430 and 460 I cant stand the nervous ride of the 500. I love the GS350 ride, but the car feels small and the 2019 ES350 will have apple CarPlay. I liked the BMW7 but the cost is $500 more per month than the 460. Really I love the 460. It’s either keep my 460, get another 460 used I guess, the 2019 ES350 (didn’t like the ride on prior ES350s), or the GS350 while they are available.
Typically loaded luxury 350 is $49K msrp. Last year it was about 45.5K msrp. For the “same” price you would have to factory order a bare car. Whats interesting is last year difference in price between luxury and ultra luxury did not give a lot of upgrades. It was a case of diminishing returns. This year you get a lot for an extra $4K. Typically loaded UL 350 is $53K, but that $4K (1K greater base price and 3K more in options) will give you Mark Lev sound, HUD, 360 surround view, tripple LED headlights, panoramic roof, softer leather and better hardware for cornering, and better sound insulation. That makes it a no brainer. I am sure they will sell out ULs, not so much luxury.
Typically loaded luxury 350 is $49K msrp. Last year it was about 45.5K msrp. For the “same” price you would have to factory order a bare car. Whats interesting is last year difference in price between luxury and ultra luxury did not give a lot of upgrades. It was a case of diminishing returns. This year you get a lot for an extra $4K. Typically loaded UL 350 is $53K, but that $4K (1K greater base price and 3K more in options) will give you Mark Lev sound, HUD, 360 surround view, tripple LED headlights, panoramic roof, softer leather and better hardware for cornering, and better sound insulation. That makes it a no brainer. I am sure they will sell out ULs, not so much luxury.
Not really following you here. Are you saying that the UL comes with the ML, HUD and triple beam headlights standard? If so, that's incorrect from the price sheets seen in the other threads.
Edit: It looks like the pano is not even standard anymore on the 350 UL.
See below:
Not really following you here. Are you saying that the UL comes with the ML, HUD and triple beam headlights standard? If so, that's incorrect from the price sheets seen in the other threads.
Edit: It looks like the pano is not even standard anymore on the 350 UL.
See below:
We're not gonna know exactly how it works until the online configurator goes live. BUT, what I think is that the UL package once selected, it will tell you it requires the following options; And those will ve everything that is listed under options. So in other words "required standard options" for UL. If that makes any sense!
You are exactly right, except you don't need an online configurator if you have window stickers like this. If you compare UL window sticker with Luxury (both 350) you will see that UL is $1K greater in base price and has $3.4K more in options. Which gives you $4.4K difference in prices between Luxury and UL loaded. Now, if you compare the features you will get for both you will see that UL will have on top of Luxury: Mark Lev sound, HUD, 360 surround view, triple LED headlights, panoramic roof, softer leather and better hardware for cornering, and better sound insulation. Which is a lot for $4.4K. (nowhere did I say those options are standard for any trim).
The online configurator, when available, may show you need to add certain options to certain packages. This will change over time, not to mention region, as we have seen in the past. That said, the difference in price between a UL and a Luxury is $1k on the 2019 300h. It was $1,330 last year, but they have added the seat extender and ambient lighting to the package for 2019. They have also removed the pano roof from the UL package on the 350, so the difference will now also be $1k, not the current $1,830. The true difference between the UL and the Lux are semi-aniline, power trunk and sunshade, plus the dampers. On the current 2018, you can add the trunk and sunshade for ~$600. Everything else is an "option". Now, finding one with options like ML on a Lux will be difficult on a dealer configured ES. But, you can special order them any way you like.
The online configurator, when available, may show you need to add certain options to certain packages. This will change over time, not to mention region, as we have seen in the past. That said, the difference in price between a UL and a Luxury is $1k on the 2019 300h. It was $1,330 last year, but they have added the seat extender and ambient lighting to the package for 2019. They have also removed the pano roof from the UL package on the 350, so the difference will now also be $1k, not the current $1,830. The true difference between the UL and the Lux are semi-aniline, power trunk and sunshade, plus the dampers. On the current 2018, you can add the trunk and sunshade for ~$600. Everything else is an "option". Now, finding one with options like ML on a Lux will be difficult on a dealer configured ES. But, you can special order them any way you like.
Ok, I'm personally interested in the UL package. Do you think going to dealerships, we'll find ES350s with UL package that are still missing some options? Or does UL basically mean fully loaded with everything available?
Ok, I'm personally interested in the UL package. Do you think going to dealerships, we'll find ES350s with UL package that are still missing some options? Or does UL basically mean fully loaded with everything available?
I'm guessing that early on they will be pretty much loaded. If you can wait a bit, there will be more choices.
I'm guessing that early on they will be pretty much loaded. If you can wait a bit, there will be more choices.
Plan is to wait till December for December to remember. But honestly I AM looking for a fully loaded one with all the bells and whistles. I'm just hoping I'm not gonna have to going around chasing options. Hopefully an UL means I get all Lexus has to offer for ES350.
I'm guessing that early on they will be pretty much loaded. If you can wait a bit, there will be more choices.
The UL package will be really rare in the beginning, my dealer forecast is getting only one and even the largest dealer in the 5 lower states is getting only one out of 35.
The UL package will be really rare in the beginning, my dealer forecast is getting only one and even the largest dealer in the 5 lower states is getting only one out of 35.
Go to new, Lexus and new inventory and you'll see the 35 vehicles that Sewell is getting and there's only one ES350 UL.
I just went to the site and checked it out. I see they're getting 15 ESh's. 10 Lux and 5 UL. Pricing is all over the place. I see UL's from $48.5k to $55k and some Lux's up to $54k.
Edit: I forgot this thread is for the 350, but still, I find the range of prices odd. It seems they are more in line on the 350 prices. UL $54k and Lux $50.5k. A bunch of Premium's around $47k and the FSports a little under $52k.
I just saw 2 350's showing up at Woodfield Lexus in IL. an FSport and a Lux. It lists the options and shows both as coming with ML audio. There are also 3 hybrids, which also have ML. They do seem highly optioned, but no UL's among them.
