View Poll Results: Have you seen Waldo?

No, Never seen a base without Premium pkg.

83.33%

Yes, but almost none.

16.67%

Agree, just build a Premium as the lowest trim.

Don't really care.

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Dec 16, 2023 | 02:03 PM

#16

bullnobull

Pit Crew

Joined: Feb 2022

Posts: 133

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From: California

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Originally Posted by hotwings

I checked three dealers in my area for a Base model and they said NO INVENTORY and NO ALLOCATION
What I cared most about was getting 17" wheels and every darn one came with 18" and they would not swap for me.
I did get 4% off MSRP so no complaints and I figure I can swap wheels/tires if I really want.
The other good thing was there were NO dealer add ons, just the "premium" package + 18" tires

This same subject was in this forum 2 years ago. I Went through this with my 2022 ES300h UL. Corp would not allow 17 tires,I was ready to walk away. Dealer gave me $1500. 'to go buy anything you want.' I went to a tire shop. We measured and found that I can change tires from 235x45x18r to 235x50x18r. This will add 1/2 inch to sidewall making sidewall as tall as a 17r tire. without buying new rims. I run the original tires at 30 lb cold for a better ride. I do not corner hard and fast.. When they (Michelin energy savers) wear out I will change. No real hurry. People here say I'm driving with one foot in the grave with 30lb cold. Tire pressure goes to 33lb rapidly Its been 2 years now with no irregular tire wear, no problems. Speedo will change. Don't listen to me, Talk to your tire guy and make your own decision, I'm very happy.

Dec 16, 2023 | 03:36 PM

#17

Denzlex

Intermediate

Joined: Jan 2022

Posts: 326

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From: Massachusetts

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Originally Posted by YumpinYiminy

Does anyone really want a base ES? It's supposed to be a luxury car. The Premium pkg should be called the Luxury pkg. I feel all base models should be sold with at least those features.
I have an almost fully loaded base that is more than the starting price for the base Luxury trim. I wanted the Luxury trim for the 14 way seats and the 360 camera view. The day after I bought my car A dealer (1 of 3), 90 miles away had what I wanted except it was a hybrid. It was a Nightfall Mica Luxury trim. This is the only Luxury trim and 300h for a 100 miles. There are no Ultra Luxury or any other hybrids.

Lexus probably wanted to avoid having a trim and a package both called “Luxury,” as it would likely cause confusion.