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Old Jan 10, 2023 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by LS500Fan
Watch the fuel economy readout on the big main screen when this happens, you are likely experiencing engine braking, where the fuel injectors are not opening but the engine is rotating. Watch the instant MPG bar on the right very closely.

My LS500 would obviously shut off the injectors but the engine was still turning upon deceleration sometimes, I could duplicate it.

I don’t drive me 22 ESh in sport mode but maybe I should try to duplicate your issue….
Interesting…I grew up working on cars but hybrid tech is new to me. I’m going to look into this - I so appreciate the thought.
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Old Jan 10, 2023 | 06:33 AM
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Interesting…I grew up working on cars but hybrid tech is new to me. I’m going to look into this - I so appreciate the thought.
Just to clarify, my LS500 was not hybrid. But, I've had 4 Toyo-Lex hybrids going back since April 2008 so I'm very used to weird noises when I don't expect them, gas engine shutting off or turning on when unexpected, etc. Your experience of RPMs really doesn't surprise me and I don't even pay too much attention anymore to RPMs, etc. on a daily basis because everything is "normal" to me LOL.

My gut feeling is what you are experiencing is by design and nothing to be concerned about.
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Old Jan 10, 2023 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LS500Fan
Just to clarify, my LS500 was not hybrid. But, I've had 4 Toyo-Lex hybrids going back since April 2008 so I'm very used to weird noises when I don't expect them, gas engine shutting off or turning on when unexpected, etc. Your experience of RPMs really doesn't surprise me and I don't even pay too much attention anymore to RPMs, etc. on a daily basis because everything is "normal" to me LOL.

My gut feeling is what you are experiencing is by design and nothing to be concerned about.
Yeah, I am starting to agree that this may be by design - largely due to the help of folks like you here. Thank you!
I had a Honda hybrid for a short period of time before this car and I don't recall such an issue but Toyota/Lexus is likely different technology.
As I have been paying close attention, I am noticing that the issue seems to only appear more when the battery is fully charged - I'll continue to test this.
I just want to be able to give Lexus every detail when I explain this - I used to being able to offer a potential diagnose to a tech but this hybrid stuff is such a different animal.
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Old Jan 10, 2023 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ESh
When the battery is full and if there’s energy coming from the MG2 (braking or driving downhill), the MG1 spins the ICE (without injecting fuel) to “burn” the excesive energy. The ICE rpm depends on the amount of energy that comes from the MG2 (up to 3500 rpm).
Hmmmmm, this has real promise as a cause/solution. So, again with hybrid being so foreign to me, the theory is that the MG1 is going to spin all/most of the time however if the battery is full, it has to burn that energy off - as spinning the ICE? I am noticing, but will continue to monitor, that the RPM bump seems to occur when the battery is at capacity - it most often when I get onto slower roads after having cruised at highway speed for 30-40 minutes. Make sense?
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Old Jan 10, 2023 | 08:46 AM
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i wouldn't worry about anything. unless there's lights, i doubt there's an issue. hybrids just drive a bit different and people overthink.

all of this is moot without a video.
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Old Jan 10, 2023 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JWCL
Hmmmmm, this has real promise as a cause/solution. So, again with hybrid being so foreign to me, the theory is that the MG1 is going to spin all/most of the time however if the battery is full, it has to burn that energy off - as spinning the ICE? I am noticing, but will continue to monitor, that the RPM bump seems to occur when the battery is at capacity - it most often when I get onto slower roads after having cruised at highway speed for 30-40 minutes. Make sense?

This is the case only if you see 8 bars on the battery monitor.
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