ICE is dead/dying so it makes sense. Really Lexus should be jumping directly to full hybrid if not EV. Even going hybrid at this stage is a bit dinosaurey but Lexus has to recoup those investment dollars. This is why they're hating on/reluctant to go EV. They dropped the ball and are a couple generations behind. Meanwhile they have a ton of money invested into ICE engines, hybrid engines, and ICE chassis that they have to recoup profit on as long as possible. All while most other manufacturers saw the writing on the wall and started EV development a long time ago.

 

It's only dying because of the admin we currently have in DC but we won't discuss politics here. Don't drink the EV Kool-Aid so fast. I know you love your Tesla and totally respect your opinions

 

Saw you tube video last night on new leadership coming in Toyota backing off on BE vehicles saying the public and infrastructure are not yet ready for the change. Battey technology and convenience are in the works but not ready yet. Don't know about Tesla but others I have looked at say to only charge to 80% to preserve battery life and only 100% if need to go on a trip. Just like in our hybrid the bottom bar is 40% and top bar is 80% but we don't have to think about what to do because automatic. The BE vehicles can be set but think about it how many people do you know that want to deal with battery charging percentages and sitting down trying to figure out if they can go on a trip and making sure a place to charge is in there path. There are a lot of horror stories out there and right now I see we are in a transition period which will take time and at present I probably would only want at most a PHEV. It's just like California last year asking residents (not mandatory) to not charge there vehicle. Infrastructure is not here yet. I own Tesla stock and didn't like the slide down but will continue to hold as they will continue making what they have better.

 

Coworker just bought a Model Y. Car sits outside overnight and loses 20 - 30% of a full charge by morning. They told him that's normal.

 

Full EV vehicles, to me, are only worth it for the city and around-home driving. No way I would buy one and use it for long-distance commuting or across state lines. Having to plan a trip based on how far your EV can go is just stupid. You are correct that the infrastructure is still NOT THERE. Someday maybe, but not anytime soon.

 

LOL What a joke!

 

LOL, ICE will be around in new vehicle production for DECADES yet. Even the German automakers have backed off BEV by 2035. We'll be lucky if BEV is 50% of worldwide car market by 2035.

Toyo-Lex is a very conservative company, they are letting the other automakers spend years and billions of dollars to beta test BEVs., they like to deliver quality, durability, and reliability out of the gate, not make their owners guinea pigs. They've made it clear the real turning point will be 2025+ when solid state batteries are hopefully a thing in real production (starting with hybrids). 5 minute BEV recharges, no battery fire risks, etc. is what they are hanging their hat on.

I think Toyo-Lex should make every single vehicle for the North American market hybrid only or PHEV starting last year, but they don't have the resources.

 

People report average 8-9% overnight if cold. Also for the record, no one charges their Tesla to "full" unless they are planning a road trip. You're not supposed to.

Further... unless you plan on driving over 200 miles for your commute, that 9% loss is irrelevant and costs nothing. If your phone lost 9% overnight, you just plug it back in?

Also this only highlights Tesla being #1 in EV range, so a Lexus RZ would lose even more range as 9% of its capacity. Still I'd argue no big deal... but by YOUR arguments/likes... big deal Hurray Lexus EV right?

I've backed EVs/EV technology and dumped on ICE cars long before I got my Tesla. Search my post history. I'll always stay true and call it like it is.

Pure EV makes for an inherently better and enormously stronger and safer vehicle as a base. Enormously. No paper thin floor & side structures like ICE cars. So technology and safety wise it's the way to go. Hopefully Lexus can continue on the e-RZ side of things and improve on the 200 mile range. Need 300 mile to be viable.

 

Also BTW... your favorite Lexus brand? Their EV, the Electric RZ is superior to the ES and all other ICE/hybrid cars too... but i'd argue barely due to the range limitations. Still better. So this particular discussion isn't a brand argument but a technology argument. We're in a modern world now. I've said for years go EV!

edit: aw man my iphone is at 81% this morning. what will i ever do.

 

I get the phone analogy and no biggie if my commute is 20 or 30 miles. But what If I need to take an extended trip? That overnight loss of charge becomes material.

 

I get it it's quite foreign to get if you haven't owned an EV. I had the same concerns.

You can stop for coffee in the morning at a charger and replenish. @ 80% in your case, you'd have more than enough range to get going on your trip. That 20% (assuming it's even 20%) would take mere minutes to replenish. That's what convinced me. I sat in a car at a supercharger once and saw how fast the miles climb while charging. i was like holy ******, that easy?

Either way when you travel, the car will auto-calculate everything for you and tell you your charging needs based on where you want to go and the state of the car, conditions, temps etc. It will tell you precisely which places to charge at and for how long. Usually 15-20 min for a session. it really is not a big deal. But yes in cold weather, a gas car is a more robust option.

 

No normal people know this when they buy a car. And there’s a reason mfrs don’t advertise it.

Im no Einstein with math, but here’s an example: a 300 mile range BEV is changed to 80 percent. That’s 20 percent loss meaning range is 60 miles less than advertised. Plus overnight loss of nearly 30 more miles. Your 300 mile range car, that you charged yesterday and haven’t since driven, now has roughly 200 miles of range when you wake up.

And the above example assumes nice weather.

Maybe they can change the ads to “300 mile range if you don’t mind ruining your five figure battery, otherwise 240 mile range… assuming you start driving the moment you unhook because you’ll lose an additional 8-9 percent overnight”


If adding not quite 200 miles of range in 15-20 minutes blows you away enough to curse, you’d probably have a seizure if you saw how fast a gas pump adds range!

 

There's a lot of caveats and variables associated with EV range. However by and large it's mitigated when you have a solid charging networks and fast-charging. Really any long trips, at least for me, are few and far between. But when the situation does arise, I can take advantage of the charging network or worst case, just rent a car. I sometimes rent a car for trips anyway even with a gas car cause why put all the wear and tear and exposure on your car if you can rent a Camry for $40.

 

Here's a fun little video on EV range.

 

Did you do this before having a Tesla? I buy my cars to drive, because I enjoy nice cars. It’s not a classic Ferrari or anything.