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Old Jan 15, 2026 | 09:24 AM
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If Lexus really portrays the new ES as a flagship, then they are saying that’s their pinnacle model, the ultimate illustration of what the brand is. If so, then it represents a big step back and sets the brand up as not a true luxury brand anymore, just a fancier Toyota, proving years of skeptics correct. No way in any assessment could an ES go head to head against an S-class or 7 series. You won’t see heads of state and leading CEO’s being chauffeured in one, or a line of black ES’s lined up at the red carpet for the Oscars. . The original LS, up through this last generation which they totally botched (evidenced by what it did to sales and reputation) was a true luxury competitor to those models. Not this new ES, however. A nice, perhaps fine, EV, but still in a tier below the top.
That's likely because Lexus will make the brand a "premium" brand moving forward. The true luxury brand will become the "Century" brand coming to the U.S.
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Old Jan 15, 2026 | 09:46 AM
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That's likely because Lexus will make the brand a "premium" brand moving forward. The true luxury brand will become the "Century" brand coming to the U.S.
Good possibility. Lexus will become Toyota’s Buick. Nice, but not that nice …
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Old Jan 15, 2026 | 02:41 PM
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> I’m sad to see the LS only having 2500 made this year
Don't be. The turbo V6 engine is a disaster. Big oiling problems and early serious top end wear.
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Old Jan 15, 2026 | 11:33 PM
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I personally wouldn't touch the 2026. EV or hybrid only... no thanks.

I bought my ES 350 because of the V6 engine. Great power and bulletproof built. D4S, torque converter transmission, cable operated transmission, real spare tire, 8 real gears transmission (no cvt) and no start stop on the engine. I'm hoping this car last as long as my still going 2005 Toyota Solara.

An ES EV... I'll pass. I'd rather get a Tesla. In fact I almost got a Model 3 before I bought my ES 350. The deciding factor for me was insurance. In my neck of the woods a Model 3 insurance was $320 a month. Fk no. I hear Tesla insurance was much cheaper but there was no way I can get a quote unless I order a vehicle and pay a non refundable $250. Quite stupid policy if you ask me. Because of the Tesla lost a sale from me.

If the insurance was about the same as my ES 350, I probably would have gone with a Model 3 Performance.
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Old Jan 16, 2026 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by dougdangger
I personally wouldn't touch the 2026. EV or hybrid only... no thanks.

I bought my ES 350 because of the V6 engine. Great power and bulletproof built. D4S, torque converter transmission, cable operated transmission, real spare tire, 8 real gears transmission (no cvt) and no start stop on the engine. I'm hoping this car last as long as my still going 2005 Toyota Solara.

An ES EV... I'll pass. I'd rather get a Tesla. In fact I almost got a Model 3 before I bought my ES 350. The deciding factor for me was insurance. In my neck of the woods a Model 3 insurance was $320 a month. Fk no. I hear Tesla insurance was much cheaper but there was no way I can get a quote unless I order a vehicle and pay a non refundable $250. Quite stupid policy if you ask me. Because of the Tesla lost a sale from me.

If the insurance was about the same as my ES 350, I probably would have gone with a Model 3 Performance.
I think you do not understand what transmission is in the hybrid.
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Old Jan 16, 2026 | 07:34 AM
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possibly. probably. but i think he wants the sensation of shifting gears, vs the long drone/buzz of a hybrid. i'm curious about driving an es hybrid again. i forgot what its like.
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Old Jan 16, 2026 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by dougdangger
I personally wouldn't touch the 2026. EV or hybrid only... no thanks.

I bought my ES 350 because of the V6 engine. Great power and bulletproof built. D4S, torque converter transmission, cable operated transmission, real spare tire, 8 real gears transmission (no cvt) and no start stop on the engine. I'm hoping this car last as long as my still going 2005 Toyota Solara.

An ES EV... I'll pass. I'd rather get a Tesla. In fact I almost got a Model 3 before I bought my ES 350. The deciding factor for me was insurance. In my neck of the woods a Model 3 insurance was $320 a month. Fk no. I hear Tesla insurance was much cheaper but there was no way I can get a quote unless I order a vehicle and pay a non refundable $250. Quite stupid policy if you ask me. Because of the Tesla lost a sale from me.

If the insurance was about the same as my ES 350, I probably would have gone with a Model 3 Performance.
my insurance is about $120 a month. perfect record though and maxed out limits, low deds+uim etc etc. but yeah i like that tesla insurance is expensive for most. it kinda gatekeeps the car/brand for me somewhat. i want the least amount of young bozos in them (not you lol)

some kids on the tesla forums get so mad and ask why they got a quote for $800-1200 a month for their tesla (like 18-24 year olds with no driving history) and i'm like
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Old Jan 16, 2026 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dougdangger
, I probably would have gone with a Model 3 Performance.
i mean its cool for a loaner. fun fast and easy to drive. i'm just always happy to get back in a Y after. the 3 has too much vibration and harshness and noise compared to a Y of the same era. also too small. but if you're younger, they could be fun traits.
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Old Jan 16, 2026 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by artbuc
I think you do not understand what transmission is in the hybrid.
It has a cvt and not garbage like Nissans. CVTs by nature aren't accustomed to being matched up with high power engines as to why they last a long time on Toyota hybrids and fall apart on Nissan turbo 4s and V6s. I know the Toyota cvt has a gear but I'm not interested in one. But yes I would take it over a Nissan.
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Old Jan 16, 2026 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by E46CT
my insurance is about $120 a month. perfect record though and maxed out limits, low deds+uim etc etc. but yeah i like that tesla insurance is expensive for most. it kinda gatekeeps the car/brand for me somewhat. i want the least amount of young bozos in them (not you lol)

some kids on the tesla forums get so mad and ask why they got a quote for $800-1200 a month for their tesla (like 18-24 year olds with no driving history) and i'm like
Their insurance has gone down over the years so I guess repairing them is getting cheaper. I can see why insurance companies want so much money for a 19 year old behind a Model 3 Performance. Irresponsible and not much to live for.
I'm in my 50s, have a child, mortgage, a decent house, good job, family... the chances of me doing 0-60 3 second sprints on city streets is close to zero
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Old Jan 16, 2026 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by E46CT
i mean its cool for a loaner. fun fast and easy to drive. i'm just always happy to get back in a Y after. the 3 has too much vibration and harshness and noise compared to a Y of the same era. also too small. but if you're younger, they could be fun traits.
I have family members who have a Model Y. It's a good car and very practical. I just like the 3 better because it looks more sportier.
Actually I want the Model S but so darn expensive. Had the Model 3 been a hatchback in disguise like the Model S, oh baby there would be a blue Performance M3 with white interior on my driveway by now.
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Old Jan 17, 2026 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dougdangger
It has a cvt and not garbage like Nissans. CVTs by nature aren't accustomed to being matched up with high power engines as to why they last a long time on Toyota hybrids and fall apart on Nissan turbo 4s and V6s. I know the Toyota cvt has a gear but I'm not interested in one. But yes I would take it over a Nissan.
The ES350 H does NOT have a CVT - it has an E-CVT (Electronic CVT), a big difference.

A regular CVT, the one that gets lots of complaints about the noises, loud whining winding out sound, and rubbery behavior, is purely mechanical and uses pulleys and a belt to vary ratios. The belts can fail and need adjustment. An E-CVT uses planetary gears and electric motors to accomplish changes, very smoothly. Without all the mechanicals in a CVT, an E-CVT is very reliable and feels like a “real” transmission.
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Old Jan 17, 2026 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ATL350
The ES350 H does NOT have a CVT - it has an E-CVT (Electronic CVT), a big difference.

A regular CVT, the one that gets lots of complaints about the noises, loud whining winding out sound, and rubbery behavior, is purely mechanical and uses pulleys and a belt to vary ratios. The belts can fail and need adjustment. An E-CVT uses planetary gears and electric motors to accomplish changes, very smoothly. Without all the mechanicals in a CVT, an E-CVT is very reliable and feels like a “real” transmission.
I test drove it and I didn’t like it. Car felt weak and underpowered.
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Old Jan 17, 2026 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by dougdangger
I test drove it and I didn’t like it. Car felt weak and underpowered.
Then just say that instead of making up nonsense.

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Old Jan 17, 2026 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by artbuc
Then just say that instead of making up nonsense.
What nonsense?

CVT and eCVT.
It’s like a push mower vs gas mower.
Same dead driving experience.
Quit bitching.

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