2013 GS vs ES
03-15-13, 09:45 AM
#31
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I have an ES300H. Due to a detail they provided me with a 13 GS350. The car is very very fast!!! Hard suspension and terrible on GAS!!! My point is if you are looking for a sportier car with no concern for MPG and rear leg room, feel free to pay the price tag of the GS. If you want a softer more luxurious ride as well as mpg get the es300h. I personally like my es300h better and I don't see the justification to purchase a GS. The ES is a bigger vehicle and more of a true sedan. The GS seems to be taking the role of there mid size sports car. Just my thoughts.
The gas mileage on the GS RWD is much closer to the ES350 vs. the 300h. The ES350 gets about 24 mpg overall and the GS RWD gets about 23 mpg according to he EPA estmates. I think the AWD GS is rated at 21 mpg.
03-15-13, 10:49 AM
#32
Yes, the GS is a sport sedan in terms of performance and handling, and both ES models are cruisers.
The gas mileage on the GS RWD is much closer to the ES350 vs. the 300h. The ES350 gets about 24 mpg overall and the GS RWD gets about 23 mpg according to he EPA estmates. I think the AWD GS is rated at 21 mpg.
The gas mileage on the GS RWD is much closer to the ES350 vs. the 300h. The ES350 gets about 24 mpg overall and the GS RWD gets about 23 mpg according to he EPA estmates. I think the AWD GS is rated at 21 mpg.
I agree.
I can't see how the ES and GS are cross shopped.Really the only thing they have in common is both are Lexus sedans.
03-15-13, 10:59 AM
#33
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Motor clocked the '13 GS 350 AWD at 0 - 60 in 6.98s. Lexus has the GS 0 - 60 times in the mid 5s.
I think Motor used inferior test equipment. Any other thoughts on these 0 - 60 time differences?
BTW, they clocked the '13 ES300h 0 - 60 time at 9.1s.
I think Motor used inferior test equipment. Any other thoughts on these 0 - 60 time differences?
BTW, they clocked the '13 ES300h 0 - 60 time at 9.1s.
03-15-13, 02:24 PM
#36
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Kenny, no Lexus has ever used fake wood. The wood in the GS doesn't use a gloss finish like in the past.
I don't think its completely fair to compare the two b/c it was quite obvious Lexus focused on the GS. As I've told the GS forum I've driven countless cars, most more expensive than the GS and the GS interior is as good as it comes. If you read about the GS its clear Lexus went overboard trying to making it best in class. The ES got some of that treatment as well now being Avalon based.
Good point on the turn signal, its a wtf moment
Overall we never came close to comparing the two when we got our F-sport, we actually cross shopped the RX F-sport. The ES that did appeal to us is the hybrid since we both own(ed) hybrids.
To me for the money the ES is hard to beat especially in hybrid form. And I've said it for over a decade here there is simply a difference in build quality between entry level luxury and mid-size luxury. To the ES credit I think they did a superb job on the dash, it feels very well done/expensive to me but they lost me with the console compared to say the GS.
I don't think its completely fair to compare the two b/c it was quite obvious Lexus focused on the GS. As I've told the GS forum I've driven countless cars, most more expensive than the GS and the GS interior is as good as it comes. If you read about the GS its clear Lexus went overboard trying to making it best in class. The ES got some of that treatment as well now being Avalon based.
Good point on the turn signal, its a wtf moment
Overall we never came close to comparing the two when we got our F-sport, we actually cross shopped the RX F-sport. The ES that did appeal to us is the hybrid since we both own(ed) hybrids.
To me for the money the ES is hard to beat especially in hybrid form. And I've said it for over a decade here there is simply a difference in build quality between entry level luxury and mid-size luxury. To the ES credit I think they did a superb job on the dash, it feels very well done/expensive to me but they lost me with the console compared to say the GS.
03-15-13, 07:11 PM
#37
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03-15-13, 07:32 PM
#38
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Kenny, no Lexus has ever used fake wood. The wood in the GS doesn't use a gloss finish like in the past.
I don't think its completely fair to compare the two b/c it was quite obvious Lexus focused on the GS. As I've told the GS forum I've driven countless cars, most more expensive than the GS and the GS interior is as good as it comes. If you read about the GS its clear Lexus went overboard trying to making it best in class. The ES got some of that treatment as well now being Avalon based.
Good point on the turn signal, its a wtf moment
Overall we never came close to comparing the two when we got our F-sport, we actually cross shopped the RX F-sport. The ES that did appeal to us is the hybrid since we both own(ed) hybrids.
To me for the money the ES is hard to beat especially in hybrid form. And I've said it for over a decade here there is simply a difference in build quality between entry level luxury and mid-size luxury. To the ES credit I think they did a superb job on the dash, it feels very well done/expensive to me but they lost me with the console compared to say the GS.
I don't think its completely fair to compare the two b/c it was quite obvious Lexus focused on the GS. As I've told the GS forum I've driven countless cars, most more expensive than the GS and the GS interior is as good as it comes. If you read about the GS its clear Lexus went overboard trying to making it best in class. The ES got some of that treatment as well now being Avalon based.
Good point on the turn signal, its a wtf moment
Overall we never came close to comparing the two when we got our F-sport, we actually cross shopped the RX F-sport. The ES that did appeal to us is the hybrid since we both own(ed) hybrids.
To me for the money the ES is hard to beat especially in hybrid form. And I've said it for over a decade here there is simply a difference in build quality between entry level luxury and mid-size luxury. To the ES credit I think they did a superb job on the dash, it feels very well done/expensive to me but they lost me with the console compared to say the GS.
I guess you can over think/over engineer things...of course, I'm referring to the turn signal stalk in the GS
03-17-13, 08:53 AM
#39
Lexus Fanatic
I just got back from a 800 mile round trip that consisted of 340 miles each way of highway driving, the last 120 miles or so being on hilly highway roads with 7% up and down grades. A trip I have taken many times in my various ES sedans. So far as road comfort for the front two passengers, the GS is a step up from my ES experience. Like I said, the suspension is firmer, but it has a refinement when gliding along the highway that the ES lacks.
Rear seat comfort (we had a rear seat passenger coming back) is definitely a step down from the ES, as is fuel mileage. In my 2010 ES I would average 30MPG on the highway on that trip, whereas the average on my GS was 24. Cruise set to 80 the whole way, was the same way in the ES.
Once we were there we drove around 100 miles or so on back country roads just touring around, the GS was obviously an incredible improvement there.
Rear seat comfort (we had a rear seat passenger coming back) is definitely a step down from the ES, as is fuel mileage. In my 2010 ES I would average 30MPG on the highway on that trip, whereas the average on my GS was 24. Cruise set to 80 the whole way, was the same way in the ES.
Once we were there we drove around 100 miles or so on back country roads just touring around, the GS was obviously an incredible improvement there.
03-17-13, 09:30 AM
#40
I just got back from a 800 mile round trip that consisted of 340 miles each way of highway driving, the last 120 miles or so being on hilly highway roads with 7% up and down grades. A trip I have taken many times in my various ES sedans. So far as road comfort for the front two passengers, the GS is a step up from my ES experience. Like I said, the suspension is firmer, but it has a refinement when gliding along the highway that the ES lacks.
Rear seat comfort (we had a rear seat passenger coming back) is definitely a step down from the ES, as is fuel mileage. In my 2010 ES I would average 30MPG on the highway on that trip, whereas the average on my GS was 24. Cruise set to 80 the whole way, was the same way in the ES.
Once we were there we drove around 100 miles or so on back country roads just touring around, the GS was obviously an incredible improvement there.
Rear seat comfort (we had a rear seat passenger coming back) is definitely a step down from the ES, as is fuel mileage. In my 2010 ES I would average 30MPG on the highway on that trip, whereas the average on my GS was 24. Cruise set to 80 the whole way, was the same way in the ES.
Once we were there we drove around 100 miles or so on back country roads just touring around, the GS was obviously an incredible improvement there.
03-17-13, 09:44 AM
#41
Lexus Fanatic
We're comparing the GS to the ES. Having driven many 2013 ES's I can tell you from a ride and drive perspective its very similar to the 07-12 ES.
03-17-13, 09:50 AM
#42
I only have experience with a single 2011 ES. I can honestly say, it does not feel at all the same on the road as my 2013. The 2011 is a little quieter and has much softer, almost floaty, ride quality to it.
03-17-13, 09:59 AM
#43
Lexus Fanatic
All I can say is when I personally drove the 2013 my feeling was that if you closed your eyes you'd be hard pressed to know if you were in a 2010-2012 or a 2013, and that was after putting 50k miles on a 2010. The biggest difference to me is the steering, the electric power steering is much lighter in the 2013. I know a lot of people have said they feel the 2013 is firmer, but I never felt that way.
Does yours have the 17s or the 18s? I have not driven one on the 18s.
Does yours have the 17s or the 18s? I have not driven one on the 18s.
03-17-13, 10:03 AM
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03-17-13, 10:13 AM
#45
Lexus Fanatic
That would be why, the 18s are going to give you a firmer ride and more noise.