I wish they brought the Crown to the States. To me, it would be like the second coming of the Cressida.

 

Ah yes, the toyota cressida what a car that was. had a 81' very luxurious for it's time with rwd and an inline six that screamed.

 

There is no doubt that Lexus dealers are much better than Hyundai dealers. The dealer here has no problem with a 10% off deal on the Genesis, but even so its a low rent experience that the person who buys an Accent has, which is an issue.

I wish Hyundai had gone ahead and created a luxury brand.

 

No doubt they need to do this if they want those upscale models to succeed.

 

Especially as these cars are aimed at the luxury end and they're genuinely new, not like Acura's tarted up Hondas. I had a TSX before which was simply sold as a Honda Accord or Accord Euro, with the normal Honda dealership experience. It was decent but Lexus service is on another level. That's what Hyundai need to do.

On the other hand, I walked into a Jag Land Rover dealer while my car was having an oil change and man, they sure as heck made me feel like I couldn't afford a JLR product. Lexus has the balance right - a touch of luxury without the snobbishness.

 

Is that bad basically the Japanese markets version of a GS?

 

From a former Genesis owner, there is no comparison between a Lexus ES and a genesis!

 

Theres also no comparison between the new Genesis and the old Genesis.

 

I know both the new and the old vehicles suck!

 

Thats just absolutely not true. The new Genesis is an excellent car, and anybody who likes the ES would have nothing to dislike about the Genesis, except perhaps subjective styling and brand. Everything thats good about the ES is also good about the Genesis...in fact better in a lot of ways. Its smoother, quieter, more refined, has just as much room, has higher quality interior materials. Not a knock specifically against the ES, I feel its superior to my GS in a lot of ways too.

My guess is you have not driven a new Genesis, and even if you have your bias against it won't let you give it a fair shake.

 

yeah...that post is just too fishy to say the new generation genesis is crap. no one, and i mean no one if they had any sense of what quality was would make that statement.

 

The fact that Genesis sales are +75% thru Feb vs.last year indicates that they are on the right track with the new gen and that actual buyers are interested.

It's not selling at ES levels 5,300 vs. 8,300) but it is currently outselling the GS (3,500).

 

Sw13gs - Why are you driving a Lexus? Go purchase a genesis.

 

I very seriously might. The new Genesis was not out when I bought my GS.

Just because we're Lexus owners doesn't mean we can acknowledge other vehicles that are also excellent.

 

Ok. Lol. When you become a genesis owner, please come back to the Lexus ES forum and provide feedback on your experience.