Notices
ES - 1st to 6th Gen (1990-2018) Forum for all 1990 - 2018 ES Models

_smoke upon start-up_

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 01:10 AM
  #1  
Alexbenz's Avatar
Alexbenz
Thread Starter
Instructor
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 804
Likes: 22
From: ca
Default _smoke upon start-up_

sometimes in the morning upon the first start-up i see from my mirror smoke coming from the car in a cloud....it's not smoking but more a cloud and then it's fine........car also feels fine, no over heating issuees as well....

also just hit 100k in miles so would a tune-up resolve this matter?
Reply
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 06:13 AM
  #2  
GEORGE_JET's Avatar
GEORGE_JET
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 745
Likes: 0
From: tx
Default

is it blue smoke? These engines have a reputation for the valve stem seals wearing out. The parts to repair this is cheap, but there is a considerable amount of labor involved in replacing the seals.
Reply
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 07:09 AM
  #3  
MJHSC400's Avatar
MJHSC400
Lexus Test Driver
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,306
Likes: 2
From: sc
Default

All cars will smoke when it's cold, it's vapor that condensed in the exh system when the car cooled down after you park it...

Also, stem seals will wear over time, and they will contract the most when it's cold, so until it warms up it'll smoke lightly, then stop after reaching temp...

Vette's and firebird's LS1 which is known as a very very good engine note in the owners maual that burning up to a quart in three months is normal. Surely your lex isn't burning even close to that much.

My point is that it won't foul the plugs in small quantities like that so it really doesn't matter until the cloud is continuous and engulfs the car, THEN it's time to get a low mileage motor swapped in, instead of paying just to get the stem seals replaced.. Valvoline MAX-life or Castrol high mileage both employ a hydraulic fluid type additive that will swell all the seals and rubber parts and slow oil consumption, but I think it may cause more damage over the long run, as it's not adding any material to the seals, so when they swell they'll just wear that much more and may cause it to smoke more later on I think. I just use regular conventional oil and change it often to keep it clean..

Both would cost around the same unless you pulled your heads off yourself, OR you should be able to pull the motor and the cams and do them that way with a seal puller and compressed air in the cylinder to keep the valves from falling into the cylinder while doing each seal.... But that's 24 seals and you may as well just buy a 85k motor for $900~$1000, they come up that cheap sometimes as demand is low for these motors...

I had a 92 sc400 with 180k that ran absolutely perfect but smoked a little on colder startups, but the oil level never visibly dropped over the oil change interval, and I looked into swapping the motor for that one. You can get 1UZFE's non-vvti all day long for $600... There's just no demand for them, they are hand balanced from the factory (like an aircraft or racing engine) which considerably lengthens their service life to moreso that of a commercial grade engine, which was Lexus' plan, to dominate the lux market in quality and dependability.

BTW-- Our 99 ES has 205k and does burn a very small cloud but only when it's cold out and the motor's also cold, and it just averaged 27.7 mpg on a trip from La to Ark doing 77 to 85 sometimes, and passing slow people on the backroads, and doing a section called the pigtrail, which is over an hour of mountain switchbacks up and down hills in second and third gear.. STILL got ~28 mpg..

I figure it still will get 30~ mpg if I drove 72 and never passed anyone...

Last edited by MJHSC400; Dec 8, 2008 at 07:12 AM.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
tn96dc
GS - 2nd Gen (1998-2005)
6
Oct 30, 2013 02:41 PM
ae80siq
LS - 1st and 2nd Gen (1990-2000)
14
Nov 11, 2012 08:02 AM
lrcastillo
ES - 1st to 6th Gen (1990-2018)
12
Nov 5, 2012 10:39 PM
Yambeezy
SC - 1st Gen (1992-2000)
15
May 4, 2012 08:47 PM
blk99rx
Maintenance
8
Jun 25, 2004 09:52 AM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:41 PM.

story-0
2026 Lexus IS 350 F Sport Review: The Last of Its Kind Still Rocks

Slideshow: the 2026 IS 350 isn't all that new, and that's why we love it!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-04 14:35:23


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Confusing Things Lexus Has Ever Done!

Slideshow: 10 most confusing things Lexus has ever done.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-04 09:40:55


VIEW MORE
story-2
2026 Lexus ES Review: Lexus Re-Embraces Founding Principles

Slideshow: Our First-Drive Review of the 2026 Lexus ES!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-29 20:30:16


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Lexus Bargains That are Cheaper Than a New Toyota RAV4

Slideshow: 10 Lexus bargain that are cheaper than a new Toyota.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 10:28:20


VIEW MORE
story-4
8 Weirdest Things Lexus Has Ever Built

Slideshow: From hoverboards to luxury yachts, these are the strangest projects Lexus has ever attached its badge to.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-16 11:34:36


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Lexus Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

Slideshow: Some luxury cars chase trends, but these Lexus models look better now than they did when they first rolled into showrooms.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-06 17:58:29


VIEW MORE
story-6
8 Tips for Improving Your Hybrid or Plug-in Hybrid's Efficiency!

Slideshow: How to Get the Best Fuel Economy with a Hybrid and Plug-In Hybrid!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-05 20:54:44


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Best Lexus Models No One Remembers

Slideshow: 10 best Lexus models no one remembers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 17:33:28


VIEW MORE
story-8
TRD Off-Road Premium: Best 2026 4Runner, Except This One Thing

Slideshow: diving into 4Runner TRD Off-Road Premium's pricing, performance, fuel economy, features, and amenities!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-23 13:09:18


VIEW MORE
story-9
Top 10 Lexus & Toyotas to Drive Before You Die!

Slideshow: the 10 Lexus and Toyota vehicles you need to drive before you die.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-23 10:34:24


VIEW MORE