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Old Nov 23, 2022 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Issue with these V12s is many parts are out of production, the V8 is much easier to get parts for.
Who said this? Mercedes has a vintage parts catalogue. There is aftermarket as well.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Who said this? Mercedes has a vintage parts catalogue. There is aftermarket as well.
Many many people who own these cars say so.

They have a vintage parts catalog but like Striker said, the parts have to be produced a la carte and it’s very expensive. They don’t produce those parts anymore and just stock them. So if you need a wiring harness, you have to have one made and it’s very expensive. It’s about a $13,000 job on a car that’s worth $30k or so.

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Old Nov 23, 2022 | 11:48 AM
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Many many people who own these cars say so.

They have a vintage parts catalog but like Striker said, the parts have to be produced a la carte and it’s very expensive. They don’t produce those parts anymore and just stock them. So if you need a wiring harness, you have to have one made and it’s very expensive. It’s about a $13,000 job on a car that’s worth $30k or so.
What parts are we talking about? There are aftermarket, used parts, and wrecker parts as well.

America is the place were impossible is possible....

We should together looks up these parts? Then we should a good old fashioned Club Lexus epic debate

https://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog...Electrical.htm
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This is a well understood and discussed issue in the SL circles, all of those people are able to look up parts. These are really low volume cars that are 30 years old, aftermarket manufacturers just don’t manufacture whole wiring harnesses for them and leave them lying around. It’s about $9,000 for Mercedes to manufacture the harness, and then the labor and all involved to do the job which is a lot, dash has to be removed, etc. There are aftermarket companies that make the harnesses at a cost of $3,000 or so, but you’re still looking at $7,000 or so for the job, and who knows how that harness will do over time. You can buy used harnesses but that just buys time, because the original issue still exists and the labor to do the job is so much that you don’t want to have to do it twice.

just google “SL600 wiring harness” and lots comes up.
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Gorgeous car with timeless design.

New MBs are nicely styled as well especially new SL and Sclass.
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Old Nov 23, 2022 | 06:59 PM
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A 10,000 mile '02 Silver Arrow V12 reached a high bid of $70,000 today on BaT. It failed to meet its reserve.

They might be high maintenance but those 12 cylinders do bring the money at present.

The bad wiring harness issues reportedly ended with the 1995 models. Newer ones are not so affected.
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A 10,000 mile '02 Silver Arrow V12 reached a high bid of $70,000 today on BaT. It failed to meet its reserve.

They might be high maintenance but those 12 cylinders do bring the money at present.

The bad wiring harness issues reportedly ended with the 1995 models. Newer ones are not so affected.
What was special about that car was the low miles and the last year of production. With more typical miles it would have been MUCH cheaper, but yes the wiring issue is said to be solved by then.The smarter buy is still the 500.
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Old Nov 23, 2022 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
That's not complete......or rebuilt.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385081832482

That's only for the engine, if you need to replace the whole car good luck lol!
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Wow!!! Very very nice and getting increasingly rare, the R129 Benz! Congratulations on your purchase!!
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Old Nov 24, 2022 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
What was special about that car was the low miles and the last year of production. With more typical miles it would have been MUCH cheaper, but yes the wiring issue is said to be solved by then.The smarter buy is still the 500.
The last such model to sell on BaT a few months ago had 53,000 miles and went for $71,xxx. Granted, the market has softened a bit since then but the fact remains that a V12 in any Mercedes body commands a healthy premium.
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Old Nov 24, 2022 | 08:10 AM
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Oh that's nothing, one dealer is selling an admittedly perfect showroom new 600 Silver Arrow for $200k. It has languished for a lonnnng time.

Still no call yet on the Silver Arrow 500 about to go up for sale in Chattanooga, they're still getting it ready.
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Old Nov 24, 2022 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
That's not complete......or rebuilt.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385081832482

That's only for the engine, if you need to replace the whole car good luck lol!
And it’s also used…who knows how much life if any is still in that.

All the SL600 owners aren’t wrong about this lol

As for prices, 1995 600 with 58,000 miles, $37,000:

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/3...-fc88189284c5/

95 600, $9,800

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/2...-96494c3347f0/

another 95, $23,000

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/9...-b57d1cf92411/

Like I said, it’s highly variable and in order to bring big money it needs to be somewhere like BAT or C&B and it has to be an excellent specimen, a late model etc.

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Old Dec 6, 2022 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveGS4
Beautiful car, congrats!
Thanks

Originally Posted by TriC
They look soooo much better when equipped with the Sport package like yours!
I love how mine looks especially when clean. Considering dropping ONLY the front as I like how the rear sits. Decisions decisions.

Originally Posted by AJT123
Jealous. You may or may not know that I am in the market for one of these, too. Now that car prices have come down I may start looking more seriously.

It's a beautiful car and I 100000000000% get why you like it, and how you feel about it.

There was a Silver Arrow (that's what I'd like but I'm not paying an obscene amount for it) that popped up here in town but it drove like crap, none of the "precision" you speak of. It felt loose, did not ride and track like an SL should. The top worked but it was janky, the replacement. The engine and transmission however were perfecttttttt. The starter sound and especially exhaust note when I nailed it stirred my soul. Everything about it does, the looks, the angles, the old school Mercedes gauges. I might have bought it but someone else wanted it and I wasn't going into a bidding war and it wasn't in overall great condition, drive wise. It looked amazing though. I will say the buttons and stuff inside aren't as high quality as in high end Lexus models. The wood isn't either.

Like I said now that car prices have gone down it might be sooner rather than later that I find myself one and can be done with it once and for all.

Congrats, please keep us updated. Feel free to shoot me a PM, or I may shoot you one. Lovvvvvvve the car.
Thank you. And truthfully, the dealership lied about it coming with 'new' Michelin tires. They were so old and dry rotted cracking that when I sent them pictures they agreed to cover the cost of a new set of tires. They would not cover the entire price of Michelins, so I went some pretty sweet Nittos and they ride so damn good I'm happy with my purchase. The car tracks much nicer now and does not feel anywhere as "all over the road" as when I first drove it with the old Michelins. Hit 110 MPH on a Mexican road here in Texas with the Nittos, and I must say, feels as solid as what I imagine a 7.62x54r round might feel like out of a Mosin.

Originally Posted by RX469
Beautiful SL. Keep us posted with more progress photos.

What's your experience with German cars, from a maintenance perspective?

That top down view is beautiful.
Will keep posted with progress photos.

In my opinion, regular maintenance is the same as any other car. Change oil, brakes, tires, clean drain tubes, monitor belts/hoses/pullies for noises etc. Where the maintenance becomes an nightmare is when things get neglected because so many things work in tandem and when it is time for one thing to bust, another thing is on its way there too. This actually happened to me. I got a water pump done. Picked up and then 500 miles later, needed front timing cover gaskets, alternator mounting bracket gasket, spark plug boots(or something like that I forget the name). Picked up and then the very next day needed the entire electrical system rebooted because all audio was gone and NAV screen did not want to display anything. BUT WAIT...THERES MORE...picked up and about another 500 miles later....needed the transmission pan gasket/filter/oring because it was leaking like a...like a...something that leaks a lot. This car though had not been maintained as well as thought, and sat for most of its like. Cars need to move to survive. If they sit still they dry, rot, leak, and die.

Thank you It is a nice photo I will recreate with my SONY sometime. This one was on a whim with my S22 Ultra.

Originally Posted by SW17LS
Congratulations!!! One of my all time favorites! I have always thought about getting one of these.

Smart move not getting the V12, they are a maintenance nightmare.
Thank you!. They're great you should. But stick with a V8.

Originally Posted by jwong77
Does this car suffer from the same biodegradable wire looms that other Mercedes from the era suffer from? I remember the W210 had some major issues with this, but it may be a later car.
Mine does not as it is a 2000 MY. I believe the biodegradable loom was ditched after 1994 models.

Originally Posted by SW17LS
Yeah they do, and MB no
longer manufactures the looms for the 600, having one made is a huge expense.

I believe like AJT said in late cars they did fix this.
Can you imagine needed an entire loom lol HELL NO.

Originally Posted by AJT123
Lol still, you couldn't hand me a used V12 Mercedes.

V8 R129 are pretty solid vehicles (for this age Mercedes), the 5.0 and 5 speed automatic are stout.
You could me a used V12 Merc

Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Gorgeous car with timeless design.

New MBs are nicely styled as well especially new SL and Sclass.
It is pretty timeless. Was at a light a moment ago and this dude in a brand new Dodge Charger Scat Pack was just looking back at it like he had always wanted one when he was younger. We nodded at each other in mutual respect for the clean rides.

Originally Posted by TriC
A 10,000 mile '02 Silver Arrow V12 reached a high bid of $70,000 today on BaT. It failed to meet its reserve.

They might be high maintenance but those 12 cylinders do bring the money at present.

The bad wiring harness issues reportedly ended with the 1995 models. Newer ones are not so affected.
Low miles bring the money with this cars. Simple as that. I'm trying to hit a high mile record but who knows. I change my mind a lot.

Originally Posted by KahnBB6
Wow!!! Very very nice and getting increasingly rare, the R129 Benz! Congratulations on your purchase!!
I've only seen 2 others in the city I live in, and 1 in the city I'm from. Quite rare. Thank you.
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