Electric Porsche Boxster spied for the first time
11-13-22, 03:37 PM
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I know that arguing with you is pointless. The rest of us know that people will buy Porsche EVs...everything high end is going to be an EV. People aren't just going to stop buying cars.
11-13-22, 03:55 PM
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Porsche is developing alternative fuel to run in ice vehicles. So not even Porsche is betting on all EV's.
11-13-22, 03:59 PM
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11-13-22, 04:01 PM
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No one is wrong here. No point for argument.
The enthusiasts that buy a Cayman for a flat 6 or the ICE experience will jump to a different brand or move up to a 911. The enthusiasts that want an electric sports car will finally be able to buy a 718.
MAYBE there will be overlap, but majority of the customers will be new.
Just like with the Taycan, according to an interview, “Fifty percent [of Taycan buyers] are new to the brand, so they have never owned a Porsche before,” Zellmer says. “A conquest rate of 50% or more is a very good indication of having the right strategy, in our business model at least.” Mind you this was from 2020 so it's possible the rate has changed, however it doesn't change the fact that EV buyers are a new group of buyers other than regular Porsche enthusiasts.
Oh come on, that is so ignorant to say. Enjoying a driving experience with an ICE engine in a sports car is not "out of touch" nor is expecting Porsche purists to not buy an EV sports car. Even though the youth can't afford many new cars today, I'm seeing many seeking out older S2000s, E36/E46 M3s, and new GR86/BRZs. There 100% is a new generation of youth that misses and enjoys a pure driving experience, that many older buyers have experienced, less focused on numbers and more focused on the feel, sound, experience, and there will continue to be groups of car enthusiasts 10 years from now, new or old, that want the ICE driving experience.
And this same demographic will be staying away from EV sports cars to keep the ICE sports cars on sale and available for as long as possible, while a different demographic of buyers will be reaching after the EV sports cars. I have no doubt the EV 718 will do it's best to deliver as pure of a sports car experience as you can get out of an EV car, but it's not fair to say someone is out of touch or behind with the times just because they have a different preference and wants in a car.
I myself, am a young enthusiast, and want to experience ICE cars of today and the past for as long as I can before I have to switch over to EV.
The enthusiasts that buy a Cayman for a flat 6 or the ICE experience will jump to a different brand or move up to a 911. The enthusiasts that want an electric sports car will finally be able to buy a 718.
MAYBE there will be overlap, but majority of the customers will be new.
Just like with the Taycan, according to an interview, “Fifty percent [of Taycan buyers] are new to the brand, so they have never owned a Porsche before,” Zellmer says. “A conquest rate of 50% or more is a very good indication of having the right strategy, in our business model at least.” Mind you this was from 2020 so it's possible the rate has changed, however it doesn't change the fact that EV buyers are a new group of buyers other than regular Porsche enthusiasts.
And this same demographic will be staying away from EV sports cars to keep the ICE sports cars on sale and available for as long as possible, while a different demographic of buyers will be reaching after the EV sports cars. I have no doubt the EV 718 will do it's best to deliver as pure of a sports car experience as you can get out of an EV car, but it's not fair to say someone is out of touch or behind with the times just because they have a different preference and wants in a car.
I myself, am a young enthusiast, and want to experience ICE cars of today and the past for as long as I can before I have to switch over to EV.
11-13-22, 04:07 PM
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11-13-22, 04:11 PM
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No one is wrong here. No point for argument.
The enthusiasts that buy a Cayman for a flat 6 or the ICE experience will jump to a different brand or move up to a 911. The enthusiasts that want an electric sports car will finally be able to buy a 718.
MAYBE there will be overlap, but majority of the customers will be new.
Just like with the Taycan, according to an interview, “Fifty percent [of Taycan buyers] are new to the brand, so they have never owned a Porsche before,” Zellmer says. “A conquest rate of 50% or more is a very good indication of having the right strategy, in our business model at least.” Mind you this was from 2020 so it's possible the rate has changed, however it doesn't change the fact that EV buyers are a new group of buyers other than regular Porsche enthusiasts.
Oh come on, that is so ignorant to say. Enjoying a driving experience with an ICE engine in a sports car is not "out of touch" nor is expecting Porsche purists to not buy an EV sports car. Even though the youth can't afford many new cars today, I'm seeing many seeking out older S2000s, E36/E46 M3s, and new GR86/BRZs. There 100% is a new generation of youth that misses and enjoys a pure driving experience, that many older buyers have experienced, less focused on numbers and more focused on the feel, sound, experience, and there will continue to be groups of car enthusiasts 10 years from now, new or old, that want the ICE driving experience.
And this same demographic will be staying away from EV sports cars to keep the ICE sports cars on sale and available for as long as possible, while a different demographic of buyers will be reaching after the EV sports cars. I have no doubt the EV 718 will do it's best to deliver as pure of a sports car experience as you can get out of an EV car, but it's not fair to say someone is out of touch or behind with the times just because they have a different preference and wants in a car.
I myself, am a young enthusiast, and want to experience ICE cars of today and the past for as long as I can before I have to switch over to EV.
The enthusiasts that buy a Cayman for a flat 6 or the ICE experience will jump to a different brand or move up to a 911. The enthusiasts that want an electric sports car will finally be able to buy a 718.
MAYBE there will be overlap, but majority of the customers will be new.
Just like with the Taycan, according to an interview, “Fifty percent [of Taycan buyers] are new to the brand, so they have never owned a Porsche before,” Zellmer says. “A conquest rate of 50% or more is a very good indication of having the right strategy, in our business model at least.” Mind you this was from 2020 so it's possible the rate has changed, however it doesn't change the fact that EV buyers are a new group of buyers other than regular Porsche enthusiasts.
Oh come on, that is so ignorant to say. Enjoying a driving experience with an ICE engine in a sports car is not "out of touch" nor is expecting Porsche purists to not buy an EV sports car. Even though the youth can't afford many new cars today, I'm seeing many seeking out older S2000s, E36/E46 M3s, and new GR86/BRZs. There 100% is a new generation of youth that misses and enjoys a pure driving experience, that many older buyers have experienced, less focused on numbers and more focused on the feel, sound, experience, and there will continue to be groups of car enthusiasts 10 years from now, new or old, that want the ICE driving experience.
And this same demographic will be staying away from EV sports cars to keep the ICE sports cars on sale and available for as long as possible, while a different demographic of buyers will be reaching after the EV sports cars. I have no doubt the EV 718 will do it's best to deliver as pure of a sports car experience as you can get out of an EV car, but it's not fair to say someone is out of touch or behind with the times just because they have a different preference and wants in a car.
I myself, am a young enthusiast, and want to experience ICE cars of today and the past for as long as I can before I have to switch over to EV.
11-13-22, 04:12 PM
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Oh come on, that is so ignorant to say. Enjoying a driving experience with an ICE engine in a sports car is not "out of touch" nor is expecting Porsche purists to not buy an EV sports car. Even though the youth can't afford many new cars today, I'm seeing many seeking out older S2000s, E36/E46 M3s, and new GR86/BRZs. There 100% is a new generation of youth that misses and enjoys a pure driving experience, that many older buyers have experienced, less focused on numbers and more focused on the feel, sound, experience, and there will continue to be groups of car enthusiasts 10 years from now, new or old, that want the ICE driving experience.
but it's not fair to say someone is out of touch or behind with the times just because they have a different preference and wants in a car.
I think Jay Leno put it best. ICE cars will become like horses. Used only for pleasure, and the daily driving will be done with EVs.
11-13-22, 04:16 PM
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hopefully I can afford to one day custom order a 911 GT3 by the end of the decade before everything switches to full EV. And my apologies for misunderstanding, just seemed a little bit of a general comment.
11-13-22, 04:51 PM
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How exactly are younger people going to afford this? That's going to be more and more of an issue going forward......
I need to start buying real 911s and putting them in a barn somewhere, they are going to be like the air cooled ones are now. They aren't my kind of car but I know they will massively increase in value once everything is forced to go EV from government overreach.
I need to start buying real 911s and putting them in a barn somewhere, they are going to be like the air cooled ones are now. They aren't my kind of car but I know they will massively increase in value once everything is forced to go EV from government overreach.
11-13-22, 04:56 PM
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How exactly are younger people going to afford this? That's going to be more and more of an issue going forward......
I need to start buying real 911s and putting them in a barn somewhere, they are going to be like the air cooled ones are now. They aren't my kind of car but I know they will massively increase in value once everything is forced to go EV from government overreach.
I need to start buying real 911s and putting them in a barn somewhere, they are going to be like the air cooled ones are now. They aren't my kind of car but I know they will massively increase in value once everything is forced to go EV from government overreach.
The excuses I see people make crack me up. Sorry about that, it just does
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11-13-22, 05:03 PM
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I need to start buying real 911s and putting them in a barn somewhere, they are going to be like the air cooled ones are now. They aren't my kind of car but I know they will massively increase in value once everything is forced to go EV from government overreach.
11-13-22, 05:36 PM
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Just like with the Taycan, according to an interview, “Fifty percent [of Taycan buyers] are new to the brand, so they have never owned a Porsche before,” Zellmer says.
11-28-22, 08:52 AM
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drives cars
(Seriously, I hope they don't think that)
It is very weird to see a blatantly-fake exhaust tip on a Porsche. But I get it.