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Old Oct 8, 2022 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by lexusnyca
In upstate NY, the troopers setup fake sting operations with this - put some disabled car on the side of the road, nab the people who don't move to the center lane. It's most senior citizens who won't move out of that right lane for any reason. It's a dumb law, some people over react to it and move into the center lane without even looking. On highly congested parkways like we have on Long Island, its dangerous for other drivers to have a stream of people who have to suddenly get out of the right lane because of a car on the shoulder. It's all about the money and ticket revenues, and higher insurance premiums.

I don't think those stings are completely about revenue...safety is definitely a part of it. Those who get socked with fines, even on a sting, are less-likely to repeat the same mistake. All it takes is one vehicle, one careless driver, and one mistake, to hurt or kill someone.
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Old Oct 8, 2022 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by lexusnyca
In upstate NY, the troopers setup fake sting operations with this - put some disabled car on the side of the road, nab the people who don't move to the center lane. It's most senior citizens who won't move out of that right lane for any reason. It's a dumb law, some people over react to it and move into the center lane without even looking. On highly congested parkways like we have on Long Island, its dangerous for other drivers to have a stream of people who have to suddenly get out of the right lane because of a car on the shoulder. It's all about the money and ticket revenues, and higher insurance premiums.
Well if you are changing lanes on the hiway without even looking, it's the DRIVER that's dumb, not the LAW. But they shouldn't be doing these "sting" operations on a very busy hiway - just creates an unnecessary traffic jam.
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Old Oct 8, 2022 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by lexusnyca
In upstate NY, the troopers setup fake sting operations with this - put some disabled car on the side of the road, nab the people who don't move to the center lane.
i know police in many places do this for a number of 'crimes' but i don't know how a 'sting' is not 'entrapment'.
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Old Oct 8, 2022 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i know police in many places do this for a number of 'crimes' but i don't know how a 'sting' is not 'entrapment'.
I have always wondered the same thing…
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Old Oct 8, 2022 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i know police in many places do this for a number of 'crimes' but i don't know how a 'sting' is not 'entrapment'.
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I have always wondered the same thing…
Stings are legal. Entrapments are not.
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Old Oct 8, 2022 | 11:23 AM
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The line between a "sting" and "entrapment" though is pretty thin...
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Old Oct 8, 2022 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
The line between a "sting" and "entrapment" though is pretty thin...
And where it the thin line here? This specific situation
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Old Oct 8, 2022 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
And where it the thin line here? This specific situation
if the police put a car on the side of the road and wait for someone to not move over for it, that borders on entrapment IMO.
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Old Oct 8, 2022 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
if the police put a car on the side of the road and wait for someone to not move over for it, that borders on entrapment IMO.
That is nowhere near entrapment.

If you were at a coffee shop, and a cop chatted you up and said the move over law was recently scrapped ...so you then decided to drive and not move over..that would be entrapment.

Originally Posted by lexusnyca
On highly congested parkways like we have on Long Island, its dangerous for other drivers to have a stream of people who have to suddenly get out of the right lane because of a car on the shoulder. I.
Its not a dumb law. The law states (in this case of Maryland) that you either move over or if you can't, you slow down

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Originally Posted by SW17LS
if the police put a car on the side of the road and wait for someone to not move over for it, that borders on entrapment IMO.

Actually, police set-up actions trying to locate and nab criminals are not necessarily entrapment. Remember the "Bait Car" series?

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Old Oct 8, 2022 | 02:54 PM
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We’ll have to agree to disagree on that…
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Saying police placing a fake disabled car on the side of the road is entrapment is like saying speed traps are entrapment. Entrapment is when police take active steps to induce you to commit a crime—like walking up to you and offering to sell you drugs. Sitting there ready and waiting for people who act illegally all on their own isn’t entrapment.
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Old Oct 8, 2022 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
Saying police placing a fake disabled car on the side of the road is entrapment is like saying speed traps are entrapment. Entrapment is when police take active steps to induce you to commit a crime—like walking up to you and offering to sell you drugs. Sitting there ready and waiting for people who act illegally all on their own isn’t entrapment.

Agreed. The police are (usually) not at fault if one chooses the wrong path.
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Old Oct 9, 2022 | 05:10 AM
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While I understand the need for this law, my daily commute on 695 would be even more atrocious than it already is if people were actually compliant with this rule. …traffic has gotten so bad that I’m considering moving. I guess everyone has returned to the office.
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Originally Posted by tex2670
Saying police placing a fake disabled car on the side of the road is entrapment is like saying speed traps are entrapment. Entrapment is when police take active steps to induce you to commit a crime—like walking up to you and offering to sell you drugs. Sitting there ready and waiting for people who act illegally all on their own isn’t entrapment.
Like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree. Speed traps are a different thing, IMO putting a fake car on the side of the road to draw people to do something illegal borders on entrapment and is a practice police should not engage in. Observing an illegal behavior without participating in that behavior is a different thing.

As for the law, I drove to Martinsburg and back yesterday and all the electronic signs are flashing the new law.
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