Lexus EV Transition Is Reportedly Going Well So Far
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I agree there are currently a finite amount of customers looking at EV's. Until the charging network vastly improves, as well as electric range, there will still be many customers who will want to stick with ICE vehicles. We have many new condos and apartment buildings that have been built here over the last decade, none of which have any provisions for charging a vehicle and would need to be retrofitted. Also can be an issue for those without a secure garage to charge in. I can just see kids going through unplugging these vehicles at night for kicks and people thinking they have a full charge only to find out they are still on 'empty'. Also, the infrastructure for charging around here will need to be improved, such as covered locations, etc. At a regular gas station one can still pull in and fill up even if it is raining, snowing, etc. and be protected from the elements.
Within the next 10 years for instance if you want the latest luxury vehicles, they will all be EV.
As more and more people have EVs more and more service oriented places will install charging with their parking to attract EV owners, and there will be more pressure on apartment and condo complexes to install chargers.
This will all work out fine, it will just be different.
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For New York State, that's not bad. But was it it a National-name-brand or Tier-1? If not, putting cheap gas in the tank may not always be a good idea. Cheap dime-store brands, even with the correct octane, often do not contain the necessary detergent additives, so you either have to use an added fuel-system cleaner (which costs more money) or risk carbon and deposit build-up.
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Of course EVs are happening LOL. I never said any different. But it's going to come with some very significant risks. This idea that waving a magic wand with EVs is going to solve all of the world's environmental problems is nonsense.....and that's probably all I can say about it here in open forum, because any more would be getting into politics too much.
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The electric grid as it exists today is inadequate to meet the needs of the expected EV boom. Hydrgoen infrastructure will become far more cost competitive and the advantages of hydrogen will be more widely accepted. Toyota gas hybrids and fuel cell hybrids will use 90% of the same parts, tech and manufacturing. High end battery luxury cars will very likely be the norm. But you’ll get taxed on charging. So what difference will it make. Either way,..the future of car ownership and going green will be very expensive. You already see that with the high gasoline prices, and natural gas prices as their an intentional shortage because of green initiative and green policies
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The electric grid as it exists today is inadequate to meet the needs of the expected EV boom. Hydrgoen infrastructure will become far more cost competitive and the advantages of hydrogen will be more widely accepted. Toyota gas hybrids and fuel cell hybrids will use 90% of the same parts, tech and manufacturing. High end battery luxury cars will very likely be the norm. But you’ll get taxed on charging. So what difference will it make. Either way,..the future of car ownership and going green will be very expensive. You already see that with the high gasoline prices, and natural gas prices as their an intentional shortage because of green initiative and green policies
All of this is a solved problem, there will be 5 million or more BEVs sold next year. They are charging today.
Countries like Norway have already 80% of new cars as BEVs and they survived. Germany has 20% new car sales as BEV this year and they survived.
It is all going to be fine.
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this is also a unique situation to california with its 'unique' formulation rules so they can't get gas from most refineries and apparently some that product california formulas are offline right now.
meanwhile i just paid $3.20 (regular) in florida because our govt just dropped state gas taxes for a month.
meanwhile i just paid $3.20 (regular) in florida because our govt just dropped state gas taxes for a month.
The only answer is a viable alternative to gasoline. And this includes heating our homes, etc.
You probably heard OPEC + Russia is cutting production by 2M barrels per day (2%) to raise prices.
I just paid $5.99 for 87* at Costco. That's 30 cents to a dollar cheaper than outside.
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The electric grid as it exists today is inadequate to meet the needs of the expected EV boom. Hydrgoen infrastructure will become far more cost competitive and the advantages of hydrogen will be more widely accepted. Toyota gas hybrids and fuel cell hybrids will use 90% of the same parts, tech and manufacturing. High end battery luxury cars will very likely be the norm. But you’ll get taxed on charging. So what difference will it make. Either way,..the future of car ownership and going green will be very expensive. You already see that with the high gasoline prices, and natural gas prices as their an intentional shortage because of green initiative and green policies
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Do you think carbon taxes are warranted? He does.
Do you think hydrogen is required? He does
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I very seriously doubt hydrogen in passenger vehicles is going to represent a major force in North America. Much of the real push for hydrogen is happening at the heavy truck level (super duty to 18 wheelers). We will have hydrogen infrastructure built up though that is for sure.
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I very seriously doubt hydrogen in passenger vehicles is going to represent a major force in North America. Much of the real push for hydrogen is happening at the heavy truck level (super duty to 18 wheelers). We will have hydrogen infrastructure built up though that is for sure.
and why can’t you have both hydrogen and battery?
hydrogen infrastructure does not exist and nobody is building it. BEV infrastructure exists and hundreds of companies are building it.
All of this is a solved problem, there will be 5 million or more BEVs sold next year. They are charging today.
Countries like Norway have already 80% of new cars as BEVs and they survived. Germany has 20% new car sales as BEV this year and they survived.
It is all going to be fine.
All of this is a solved problem, there will be 5 million or more BEVs sold next year. They are charging today.
Countries like Norway have already 80% of new cars as BEVs and they survived. Germany has 20% new car sales as BEV this year and they survived.
It is all going to be fine.
One in six homes has either saved on food to pay for energy bills or cut back on electricity to cover the cost of groceries.
https://www.thelocal.no/20220929/cos...-energy-bills/
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I just recently listened to a podcast from NY Times. Princeton professor on climate change etc. the grid as it is took 125+ years to build to where it is today . It would need to be rebuilt 3X to meet the electrical demand for the United States. Nuclear power stations need to be re-built and new ones have to come online
https://www.wired.com/story/electric...us-power-grid/
It will all work out fine
and why can’t you have both hydrogen and battery?
My opinion is hydrogen will be like diesel fuel in the US, mostly for trucks.
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If you look into the trucking world, there IS investment and development of hydrogen there. I don't know that will happen, but if you see hydrogen anywhere thats where it will be IMO.
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I think will be forced into EVs one way or another.
It will be very costly and the government has already stated “we should be doing our part.”
This winter will see tremendous increases in heating bills. I have been paying about double for electric and heating during the summer months vs 2021. I’m afraid to see what the winter bills will look like.
Unfortunately for those folks that will be starting out in the future and looking for a cheap car that they can service on their own, this will completely go away.
EVs will be programmed to last 10yrs and then software support will go away and obviously batteries will need to be replaced which would be way too costly. Just like now ppl get $1,000 iPhones without blinking, ppl will be buying $80k EVs every few years and going further into debt…
It will be very costly and the government has already stated “we should be doing our part.”
This winter will see tremendous increases in heating bills. I have been paying about double for electric and heating during the summer months vs 2021. I’m afraid to see what the winter bills will look like.
Unfortunately for those folks that will be starting out in the future and looking for a cheap car that they can service on their own, this will completely go away.
EVs will be programmed to last 10yrs and then software support will go away and obviously batteries will need to be replaced which would be way too costly. Just like now ppl get $1,000 iPhones without blinking, ppl will be buying $80k EVs every few years and going further into debt…
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Good thing Lexus didn't launch the RZ at the same times as the Toyota BZ otherwise it would have encountered the same embarrassing three-month production stop sale.
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/10/to...ts-production/
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/10/to...ts-production/