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Pricing, markup, direct vs. dealers
8 out of 10 of Car Shoppers Paid Above Sticker Price for New Vehicles in January, According to Edmunds
Cadillac, Kia and Land Rover command the highest average transaction prices above MSRP as consumer demand runs high SANTA MONICA, CA — February 15, 2022 — More car shoppers than ever are paying above sticker price amid inventory shortages and elevated consumer demand. According to the car shopping experts at Edmunds, buyers paid above MSRP in a record 82.2% of all new vehicle purchases, compared to 2.8% in January 2021 and 0.3% in January 2020. Edmunds data reveals that the average transaction price for a new vehicle climbed to $728 above MSRP in January 2022, compared to $2,152 below MSRP in January 2021 and $2,648 below MSRP in January 2020. "The fact that an overwhelming majority of consumers are paying above sticker price would have been unthinkable even just a year ago," said Jessica Caldwell, Edmunds' executive director of insights. "This is in part driven by affluent consumers being willing to shell out more cash to get the vehicles that they want, but there's also a vast population of individuals who are being forced to do so simply because they need transportation and have no other choice." Edmunds analysts took a look at the difference in new vehicle average transaction prices and compared them to the average MSRP across automakers to identify the brands commanding the largest amounts above sticker price and the brands yielding the greatest discounts. Cadillac topped the list of brands that commanded above-sticker price, with an average markup of $4,048 in January, followed by Land Rover, with an average markup of $2,565, and Kia, with an average markup of $2,289. Alfa Romeo topped the list of brands that brought below-sticker price, with an average discount of $3,421 in January, followed by Volvo with an average discount of $869 and Lincoln with an average discount of $510. The table below is the full list of brands. "All eyes have been on Ford and GM since they both publicly called for their dealers to stop charging over MSRP for vehicles. Of all automakers, they might be in the most precarious position since they have very high-profile launches in the near future that appeal to a new type of customer. But looking at the numbers, there are clearly some other automakers who might want to follow suit," said Caldwell. "Savvy dealers, though, are conducting business during this wave of inflation in a way that's mindful of the possible adverse reaction of their customers." Edmunds' experts say that holding off on a new car purchase would be the most pragmatic move for consumers in this market, but they also note that this course of action might be unrealistic for some individuals given that prices aren't expected to normalize for quite some time. "Consumers might be waiting up to a year or longer if they want to hold off until the market resembles anything close to the pre-pandemic normal, but some buyers simply cannot wait," said Ivan Drury, Edmunds' senior manager of insights. "If you know you need a new vehicle soon — or if you have a vehicle coming off lease and its term can't be extended — doing extra research is critical to get an advantage, and using the list set forth below is a decent starting point if you're looking out for price discrepancies among different brandse." Drury advises that car shoppers can get ahead by:
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MSRP never meant squat to me, I always based my bargaining on invoice. When the Honda Odyssey was a hot item in the early 2000's, I was interested in buying one but when I tried to bargain with the dealer he looked at me and said "You've never bought an Odyssey before, have you?" I walked away and bought a 2004 Sienna at $500 below MSRP
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some interesting luxury / high end ATPs...
porsche 105 :yikes: land rover 90 cadillac 81 (can you say escalade?) mb 69 :thumbup: jaguar 68 bmw 63 audi 62 genesis 62 lincoln 62 infiniti 55 lexus 54 acura 51 |
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
(Post 11229206)
some interesting luxury / high end ATPs...
porsche 105 :yikes: land rover 90 cadillac 81 (can you say escalade?) mb 69 :thumbup: jaguar 68 bmw 63 audi 62 genesis 62 lincoln 62 infiniti 55 lexus 54 acura 51 I’m sure if you remove Macan - Porsche ATP is over $150k probably. |
Originally Posted by RNM GS3
(Post 11229231)
I’m sure if you remove Macan - Porsche ATP is over $150k probably.
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I saw today that used cars also are going up even more.
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MSRP is just a number. The market sets the price.
Kinda funny... You pay MSRP for a Tesla. But that MSRP has gone up thousands over the past few months.... It's called the market. |
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
(Post 11229270)
you can say that for all brands (remove 1 series, c class, is/es/ux/nx, etc).
The other brands have several entry level models. BMW - X1, X2, 2series - coupe, GranCoupe MB - GLA, GLB, CLA, A-class |
Originally Posted by AJT123
(Post 11229273)
I saw today that used cars also are going up even more.
My neighbor, who just brought home a new Bronco Sport yesterday, said that she and her husband saw used 2021 Bronco Sports, at Car Max, marked up higher than the brand-new 2022 they have. (although this might not be apples and apples, if they were not equivalent trim-levels or MSRPs). It also makes one wonder who would trade in a vehicle that is so hard to get even brand-new. :uh: |
Originally Posted by mmarshall
(Post 11229346)
My neighbor, who just brought home a new Bronco Sport yesterday, said that she and her husband saw used 2021 Bronco Sports, at Car Max, marked up higher than brand-new 2022s. Makes one wonder who would trade in a vehicle that is so hard to get even brand-new. :uh:
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
(Post 11229346)
My neighbor, who just brought home a new Bronco Sport yesterday, said that she and her husband saw used 2021 Bronco Sports, at Car Max, marked up higher than the brand-new 2022 they have. (although this might not be apples and apples, if they were not equivalent trim-levels or MSRPs). It also makes one wonder who would trade in a vehicle that is so hard to get even brand-new. :uh:
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does count paying over MSRP for those idiotic add ons like $500 for nitrogen filled tires?
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dang if i could sell my LC500 for more than i paid for it, i probably would.
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This is an interesting list.
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I would LOVE to see the stats on the types of loans people are choosing to get these cars. With these numbers, is it safe to assume most people are financing with 6-8 year car loans? maybe 10 year? Most families don't have $1k in the bank for an emergency - i can't imagine what they need to do to buy a $50k automobile.
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