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Old Feb 10, 2022 | 08:17 AM
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Where? It's very rare to see the wood cracked outside of the wheels on the LS430 on any of the cars you mentioned. No Lexus has ever used fake wood to my knowledge, if it looks like wood it is wood.

The 430 is an early LS and the same years as the cars in question, the 400 would need to be compared to the ancient semi-hand built cars that absolutely fall apart.
He means the original LS400s which you did commonly see cracking wood on the consoles. That was solved by the Gen 2 LS400, outside of the steering wheels.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
He means the original LS400s which you did commonly see cracking wood on the consoles. That was solved by the Gen 2 LS400, outside of the steering wheels.
But those are still older than the cars he is comparing against? That's like saying the 07 460 was super slow vs the competition when that's not true, now a 2013 vs the competition? Yeah very true.

It's not fair to compare a original LS400 to cars 10 years newer.
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But those are still older than the cars he is comparing against? That's like saying the 07 460 was super slow vs the competition when that's not true, now a 2013 vs the competition? Yeah very true.

It's not fair to compare a original LS400 to cars 10 years newer.
I dont think he was comparing them, he was just saying that Lexus used to have that issue and they solved it.

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Even Lexus interiors couldn't hold a candle to Jaguar's (former) interiors.....arguably the industry's former standard apart from the mega-luxury class such as Bentley, RR, and Maybach.
I just saw this, this is patently absurd lol. The LS400's interior was an order of magnitude better quality and better put together than an old Jaguar's interior. Like I said, you're just reacting to the wood which you like. Maybach didn't even exist at that point.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I just saw this, this is patently absurd lol. The LS400's interior was an order of magnitude better quality and better put together than an old Jaguar's interior. Like I said, you're just reacting to the wood which you like. Maybach didn't even exist at that point.
I don't see it as absurd at all. It is true that the LS400's interior was screwed-together better than the comparable Jag Interiors (as was also the case with most of the rest of the car)...but the original LS400 interior was plain-looking and spartan in comparison. Later Lexus LS versions, of course (such as your LS460), were, of course, much better.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I don't see it as absurd at all. It is true that the LS400's interior was screwed-together better than the comparable Jag Interiors (as was also the case with most of the rest of the car)...but the original LS400 interior was plain-looking and spartan in comparison. Later Lexus LS versions, of course (such as your LS460), were, of course, much better.
Eh......I don't know about that. The jag in the picture is under 20k miles and the glovebox is already out of alignment. The LS also low mile and you can see the near perfection in fit and finish. Same year cars





I don't even think the jag has seat memory and a lot of the features the LS does. Note all the exposed screws and the non-integrated look of everything. It's just not as clean or quality

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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I don't see it as absurd at all. It is true that the LS400's interior was screwed-together better than the comparable Jag Interiors (as was also the case with most of the rest of the car)...but the original LS400 interior was plain-looking and spartan in comparison. Later Lexus LS versions, of course (such as your LS460), were, of course, much better.
You're confusing looks and quality. Jag interiors looked good in pictures and even in person, but that doesn't mean that they were better quality at all. They weren't, Jag interiors had crappy materials in places and they were poorly assembled, they creaked and rattled...

You mentioned my LS460 being "much better" and thats a great point...because it was nowhere near as high quality as my LS400's interior, even though it looked flashier.
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Eh......I don't know about that. The jag in the picture is under 20k miles and the glovebox is already out of alignment. The LS also low mile and you can see the near perfection in fit and finish. Same year cars





I don't even think the jag has seat memory and a lot of the features the LS does. Note all the exposed screws and the non-integrated look of everything. It's just not as clean or quality
Thats a 98-00 LS400, is that a 98-00 Jag? I dont think so...
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Thats a 98-00 LS400, is that a 98-00 Jag? I dont think so...
91 for both since he brought up the first version LS400, it gets worse for jag if you use the refresh 400
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91 for both since he brought up the first version LS400, it gets worse for jag if you use the refresh 400
That is not the interior of a 91 LS400, that is a 98-00 LS400 (I had one, trust me). So thats the refresh of the second gen LS400.

This is the interior of a 91 LS400:


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Lincoln LS was in production for MY2000-2006, just a year earlier than the MY2001-2006 LS430. I'm not sure if it was meant to complete with the LS or GS, but it certainly couldn't hold a candle to either, and the proof was at the cash register. The Lexus LS helds its value well, while the Lincoln LS depreciated like a used diaper. It was a very weird car, a frankenstein between Lincoln and Jag, kind of like the Cadillac Catera.
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The Lincoln LS was a GS competitor not an ES competitor. Just compare the interior to the 2GS:



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Originally Posted by SW17LS
That is not the interior of a 91 LS400, that is a 98-00 LS400 (I had one, trust me). So thats the refresh of the second gen LS400.

This is the interior of a 91 LS400:


I actually didn't know that and thought google was correct, thanks for catching that
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Anybody got more comments on the LS? Seems like we're getting off track with various interiors.
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It all goes back to the biggest issue with the Lincoln LS being a cheap interior
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
It all goes back to the biggest issue with the Lincoln LS being a cheap interior
As if the exterior was any better, lol. It looked a lot like a Mitsubishi.
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