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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 07:54 AM
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DETROIT — Our Next Energy (ONE), a two-year-old Michigan startup, said on Wednesday it had tested a prototype of its new battery in a Tesla Model S, driving 752 miles (1,210 kilometers) before recharging.

ONE aims to begin producing battery packs that will deliver similar range — about double that of most existing electric vehicles — by late 2023, according to Mujeeb Ijaz, ONE’s founder and chief executive.

“We plan to build (batteries) in North America, and believe it can be done economically,” Ijaz said in an interview.

ONE has focused on developing an advanced long-range battery that uses safer and more sustainable materials, while packing more energy into a smaller, less expensive package.

Ijaz, a 30-year industry veteran, is a former senior executive at Apple and A123 Systems, where he led teams developing battery systems for electric vehicles.

For ONE’s Gemini battery, Ijaz said: “We want to eliminate both nickel and cobalt, but we don’t want to give up energy density. We aim to re-invent battery chemistry as well as the cell architecture” in order to provide at least 750 miles of range between charges.

“If you put that much energy on board, you are ready for anything the customer asks – a round trip from Detroit to Chicago, or towing a trailer.”

ONE’s range target is well beyond even the best of current electric vehicles, including the Lucid Air, which offers just over 500 miles of range in the top version.

Ijaz said ONE chose a Tesla Model S to showcase its prototype battery because “it has fairly high efficiency and a fairly large battery pack” which provided enough space to fit ONE’s battery.

The testing was done in a road test across Michigan in late December, at an average speed of 55 miles per hour, ONE said.
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But remember, we reached the pinnacle of battery range at about 350 miles lol
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Every couple of months or so, the same type of BS pops from a new start up claiming revolutionary battery breakthrough, and never amounts to anything.
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 08:01 AM
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And then after some time, what you say is "BS" comes to market and is accurate and then you move the goalposts and say it can't ever progress from there. We now have a production EV that gets 500 miles of range and you were saying we'd never see 300. Give me a break.
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Every couple of months or so, the same type of BS pops from a new start up claiming revolutionary battery breakthrough, and never amounts to anything.
Do you outright hate progress? I can't remember you ever saying anything positive about new and evolving tech you slam it and say we are all doomed and must stick to what we already have. I find it incredibly bizarre.
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 08:16 AM
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And then after some time, what you say is "BS" comes to market and is accurate and then you move the goalposts and say it can't ever progress from there. We now have a production EV that gets 500 miles of range and you were saying we'd never see 300. Give me a break.
First of, I never said we'd never see 300, not even close. What I always said is, current battery tech is maxed out, even the much hyped Tesla 4680 batteries are only good for roughly 16% capacity increase per volume. The only realistic way to increase range with current tech is to make the battery proportionally larger, which is not always feasible. There are new battery technologies being developed, but even if something breaks through, charging is still going to be a separate issue.

That being said, fly by night companies like "ONE" pop up every few months. They haven't yet been popular around automotive industry, but in the electronic world there have been countless "startups" making sensationalist claims that never materialize. They are just quick schemes to rip off investors, and if you buy into this nonsense, I have an electric turbo for sale that you put into your intake and it gives you 100mphg and 1000hp.

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At least he acknowledged the existence of the 4680 cell now. I think that's progress.
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Here is a link to a similar thread on HardOCP, look at the way people accustomed to such "news" react, lol.

https://hardforum.com/threads/startu...rough.1967754/
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At least he acknowledged the existence of the 4680 cell now. I think that's progress.
Don't get your hopes high, I did not. I'll believe them when I see them.
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“My top advice really for anyone who says they’ve got some breakthrough battery technology is please send us a sample cell, okay. Don’t send us PowerPoint, okay, just send us one cell that works with all appropriate caveats, that would be great. That sorts out the nonsense and the claims that aren’t actually true.” Elon Musk
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Originally Posted by Och
“My top advice really for anyone who says they’ve got some breakthrough battery technology is please send us a sample cell, okay. Don’t send us PowerPoint, okay, just send us one cell that works with all appropriate caveats, that would be great. That sorts out the nonsense and the claims that aren’t actually true.” Elon Musk
well, either this battery pack did achieve the range they claim or it didn’t, and as always time will tell, but this one appears to be past the slideware stage at least.
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 08:37 AM
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Current battery tech definitely isn't maxed out, LiFePo4 has been getting a lot of attention lately ("lately" is a bit of an understatement but still) and is progressing nicely, energy density-wise. I wonder whether these guys are doing something similar.
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Och
Every couple of months or so, the same type of BS pops from a new start up claiming revolutionary battery breakthrough, and never amounts to anything.
I agree. Lots of pop up claims.

I think Toyota is right. To add range, you add mass, when you add mass you add cost. I think anything is possible...but doesn't mean it will work.
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at least he acknowledged the existence of the 4680 cell now. I think that's progress. :d
LOL that is definitely progress
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I agree. Lots of pop up claims.

I think Toyota is right. To add range, you add mass, when you add mass you add cost. I think anything is possible...but doesn't mean it will work.
That's not at all correct. Range will increase if you improve powertrain efficiency, increase the energy density of the battery, you reduce overall mass or some combination of these factors. You do not need to add mass to increase range.
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