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Old Jan 1, 2022 | 01:19 PM
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just checking, are you seriously saying that or being sarcastic? i
I leave that up to the reader.
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Old Jan 1, 2022 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
little confused as you seem to be mixing toyota and lexus. i think it would be easier for all of lexus to be BEV long before toyota brand vehicles.
For sure. But if you read the Lexus presser, they state that Europe, North America and China will be all BEV, the rest of the world will still have hybrids or even fuel cells perhaps. Toyota will have all options available and we will be able to offer something for any market in any area or region.
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They should invest an "internal combustion battery" already and get this over with.
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They should invest an "internal combustion battery" already and get this over with.

Isn't that essentially what a hybrid is?.......an ICE recharging a battery?
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i assume you're only talking about the u.s. or maybe and other 'developed' regions/countries then. ?
I'm talking about the US and similar markets. Of course ICE is much, much further off in less developed parts of the world.

again need to distinguish between BEV and EV because hybrids and PHEVs have an electric component of course.
You can assume whenever I say "EV" I do not include plug in hybrids.

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Facts are, they use words like "electrified" or "electrification" They don't use electric vehicles to sum up everything. They use Zero Emissions or Carbon Neutral


By definition PHEVs are not zero emission. So if a carmaker says they are going to be zero emission, they do not include PHEVs.

From the EPA. PHEVs are NOT considered EVs:

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/ex...ctric-vehicles

Electric vehicles (EVs) have a battery instead of a gasoline tank, and an electric motor instead of an internal combustion engine. Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) are a combination of gasoline and electric vehicles, so they have a battery, an electric motor, a gasoline tank, and an internal combustion engine. PHEVs use both gasoline and electricity as fuel sources.
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Old Jan 2, 2022 | 07:14 AM
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I also wanted to add where someone in the thread commented that EVs only account for "8% of new car sales" and how that was really low. Thats surprisingly high! That means their market share has increased by like 400% in the last 5 years...
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I also wanted to add where someone in the thread commented that EVs only account for "8% of new car sales" and how that was really low. Thats surprisingly high! That means their market share has increased by like 400% in the last 5 years...
US sales, battery electric are 4% of sales in 2021
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
US sales, battery electric are 4% of sales in 2021
So growth was 100% with supply being the primary issue. At this rate, it would be a 3rd of the market in 3 years
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Even 4% is surprisingly high, way more than I would have thought
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Even 4% is surprisingly high, way more than I would have thought
The 4% is including plug-in hybrids.
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8% is the plan for 2026 I think, right now its 2%. I may be wrong.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
The 4% is including plug-in hybrids.
Where is your source on that?
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Where is your source on that?
This was not my original source before I commented back to you.

Sales of electric vehicles, including plug-in hybrids, are projected to be less than 4% of U.S. sales this year, according to industry forecasters
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/26/amer...to-change.html
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These stats are all over the place, I also see the stat that Och was talking about with the 2% and that also including hybrids...
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5.6% on running rate basis. Don't know average for 2021. California reached 14% of new sales. Wow.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/12/14...dominates/amp/
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