Toyota has trashed BEV for many years at this point and pushed Hydrogen completely so I agree with you. They have a vision and should push it like Tesla did with BEV and take risks by offering multiple hydrogen based cars and actual choice for consumers. They should also drive the infrastructure with their own cash and have Toyota refueling stations if they truly believed in their vision. However, they haven't really taken a risk for many years now...the company is too risk averse. They just follow the market and can't even build their own dedicated sports car because they are too risk averse to go it alone in a market segment. Sad really.

I really respect Hyundai's bold decisions lately and they are reacting bravely to the transition to BEV. They are making decisions quickly and moving quickly compared to most in the industry.

 

Its all gonna be fine lol

 

Hydrogen clearly has no future in the US, at least not unless some major breakthrough or if the government gets a horn for it. In other markets, hydrogen has some potential. It is an interesting technology never the less, but before any serious developments into hydrogen cars, someone will have to find an efficient way to extract hydrogen. But then again, if the EV experiment fails and becomes a total fiasco, the government might start pushing hydrogen and the new "big green thing", and manufacturers will have to follow.

 

Clean hydrogen requires electricity. I think we've been over this more than a couple of times right?

 

Hydrogen internal combustion engines are already developed for large trucks, the engines are ready. The large truck makers have them behind the scenes. Toyota already has demonstrated that fuel cell technology is ready as well as their new Mirai is larger, drives father, is more powerful, uses a smaller fuel cell (so easier to manufacture)and is cheaper to manufacture than the previous model and most important is cheaper to buy....this is the complete opposite of battery electric models which need mass to gain range which means higher cost which ultimately means consumers have to pay more. Not everyone can charge at home, most will not sit at a charger and pick boogers (who said that? ) while their EV charges. Battery EVs makes sense for the luxury priced segment of cars....hydrogen fuel cells makes sense for cheaper models like Camry and hydrogen ICE models make sense for cheap cars like a Yaris or Corolla as well as large trucks.... Battery cars + hydrogen cars make total sense together for the 79 million cars worldwide that were sold last year...

This report is nonsense. While I think Hyundai gas cars are total trash..their fuel cells they already have are pretty decent. And their batteries electrics are a good effort. It is impossible for the entire industry to go all battery electric. IMPOSSIBLE

 

This actually is not the case...

 

Have you seen how heavy battery electrics are? every battery electric that adds more range...is heavier. And every time a buyer wants more range, they have to pay MORE.

it is amazing how hydrogen is a trigger word for you all on here. LOL. Hydrogen compliments battery electrics. Otherwise, gasoline will be never stop being the predominate fuel for cars and trucks

 

Hydrogen combustion is even more costly than hydrogen fuel cell and neither of them address the non-existent infrastructure. Battery tech can improve. Hydrogen infrastructure? Good luck getting investors to buy into that.

Internal combustion is going to die, and companies like Toyota better adapt.

 

Now, but that technology will dramatically improve. Of course more range costs more, range is the new horsepower. Hybrids were a huge premium at first.

Then why has everybody abandoned hydrogen cars now Including Toyota? It’s just not going to happen.

 

Mirai and Model 3 have almost exactly the same curb weight.
Toyota finally decided they don't feel like going bankrupt.

 

Exactly, BEV is a train at this point, it’s a foregone conclusion. Makes no sense to be the small nice tech biting at the heels and makes way more sense to get with the program.

 

Where hydrogen could make sense is big vans and trucks. You have more places to store tanks, and you can protect them better (hydrogen is highly explosive). But, when battery tech improves, it will make hydrogen obsolete

 

Hydrogen has always been obsolete. The big vans and trucks that require a large amount of energy can just use gas. If you save majority of the gas by eliminating from light passenger cars, there is plenty for commercial use for a very very long time. Lets see how Toyota plays their Hydrogen card. I have a feeling their hydrogen messaging will soften drastically in the next year

 

All else equal, the only practical way to add range is to increase the capacity of the battery, making it bigger and heavier. Batteries have existed for ever a century, Li-ion rechargeable batteries have been around for over three decades, they have no further room for improvement. Battery capacity hasn't increased in over a decade, most of the improvements has been to battery management withing battery packs, but that technology has pretty much hit the limit, any further improvements are going to be marginal and not practical from the standpoint of cost. Without a breakthrough in battery tech, its going to linger around what is available now, do not expect any "dramatic" improvements.

If the powers that be decide they can cash in on Hydrogen, they will start pushing it hard, much like they are currently doing with the EVs, and automakers will follow. Hydrogen infrastructure is far easier to build, as you can transport it in tanks much like they currently do with petrol, existing gas stations can be converted to hydrogen, you don't need to run it to every house, and if there is actually a breakthrough in hydrogen extracting tech, perhaps existing NG infrastructure could be used to supply hydrogen. Imagine burning hydrogen in your stove?

 

I briefly switched to a 4 cylinder turbo and came back a year later. I've driven the Honda Accord 2.0t Sport, and although it drives nice, has more power and is faster than it's 3.5L V6 it replaced, I would take take the 8th or 9th Gen Accord V6 over it any day. As far as Hydrogen, it could have its place in bigger vehicles and trucks, but once better battery tech arrives it will just make hydrogen obsolete