2023 Lexus RZ 450e
#76
Pole Position
imho, there's not much game to be behind in since EVs are still such an insignificant part of the global market and in reality, the "EV game" is literally in its infancy and has barely even started. That's why perspective is sooo important. Practically 100% of the EV story has yet to be written.
10 years from now, when Tesla is just a footnote (probably they'll give Tesla a nod for being a good PR person for EVs), they'll mark the RZ450e as the watershed product when Toyota took EVs into primetime and out of the kiddie pool that Tesla was dabbling in.
I'll give Tesla its due, it was the flawed prototype product that needed to be made before mainstream refinements were made by Toyota.
10 years from now, when Tesla is just a footnote (probably they'll give Tesla a nod for being a good PR person for EVs), they'll mark the RZ450e as the watershed product when Toyota took EVs into primetime and out of the kiddie pool that Tesla was dabbling in.
I'll give Tesla its due, it was the flawed prototype product that needed to be made before mainstream refinements were made by Toyota.
#77
Lexus Champion
imho, there's not much game to be behind in since EVs are still such an insignificant part of the global market and in reality, the "EV game" is literally in its infancy and has barely even started. That's why perspective is sooo important. Practically 100% of the EV story has yet to be written.
10 years from now, when Tesla is just a footnote (probably they'll give Tesla a nod for being a good PR person for EVs), they'll mark the RZ450e as the watershed product when Toyota took EVs into primetime and out of the kiddie pool that Tesla was dabbling in.
I'll give Tesla its due, it was the flawed prototype product that needed to be made before mainstream refinements were made by Toyota.
10 years from now, when Tesla is just a footnote (probably they'll give Tesla a nod for being a good PR person for EVs), they'll mark the RZ450e as the watershed product when Toyota took EVs into primetime and out of the kiddie pool that Tesla was dabbling in.
I'll give Tesla its due, it was the flawed prototype product that needed to be made before mainstream refinements were made by Toyota.
#78
Lexus Champion
That's my question. Toyota/Lexus already had the technology to at least put out one or two fully electric models. They gave up pretty quickly on the RAV4 EV. They probably could have made a fully electric version of the Prius, which is very popular in California. They were probably betting more on hydrogen as you can relatively fast fillup and long range, but the problem is hydrogen is highly explosive and they have to place the tank in a more protected area, like the middle of the car. In the Morai its placed in the area where the drivetrain would normally be so there is a hump on back floor area
Last edited by bitkahuna; 12-20-21 at 12:14 PM.
#79
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
That's my question. Toyota/Lexus already had the technology to at least put out one or two fully electric models. They gave up pretty quickly on the RAV4 EV. They probably could have made a fully electric version of the Prius, which is very popular in California. They were probably betting more on hydrogen as you can relatively fast fillup and long range, but the problem is hydrogen is highly explosive and they have to place the tank in a more protected area, like the middle of the car. In the Morai its placed in the area where the drivetrain would normally be so there is a hump on back floor area
#80
Lexus Fanatic
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reminder, this thread is not about tesla. any posts solely about tesla will be deleted.
#81
Lexus Champion
182 hp LOL. I was driving behind one on my last trip to SoCal, and I was getting a free window wash every time they accelerated! It does make sense in a large Van, SUV or truck, as you can have large hydrogen tanks that are well protected. BEV is definitely a better option for smaller to mid-sized EV's
#82
Lexus Fanatic
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this thread is not about the hydrogen based mirai either.
#83
Lexus Champion
Got it. No more T or H talk. I've already made my complaint about Toyota/Lexus being late to the game, I'm hoping by the time I get off the lease I'm about to get into, Toyota/Lexus will have EV's like the 450e ready for prime time, as I know the one thing they would bring is high quality to this market
#84
Lexus Champion
Toyota/Lexus definitely have EV's on their mind with these concepts:
#85
Because the compact RAV4 is the best selling Toyota, while the midsize RX is the best selling Lexus, the first proper e-TNGA Toyota and Lexii would be the bZ compact CUV and the RZ450e midsize SUV coupe.
#87
Pole Position
#88
I’d expect the same of bZ and RZ450e too, and indeed, RZ dimensions are said to be indicative of midsize.
RAV4 is Toyota’s best seller, while RX is Lexus’s biggest seller.
#89
Lexus Champion
I believe the 2013-2018 RAV4 was on the New MC Platform, while the 2019 RAV4 is TNGA-K.
The RX has been on the K Platform since something like 2010 and continues to be on that platform.
#90
Lexus Fanatic
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these pretty toyota/lexus concept pictures are all interesting but not that interesting to me at all until they're actually available.
what is the expected availability of either new soonest models?
what is the expected availability of either new soonest models?