2023 Genesis G90 Revealed!!

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Mar 31, 2022 | 07:31 PM

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The difference between an NA V8 and a turbo 6 is negligible within a brand.

Furthermore, 4LS vs 5LS - the LS500 weighs something like 340 lbs more than the old LS460.
Hence LS500's fuel consumption is even better considering how much more it weighs over LS460.

G90 is very sad.
Even when it was a Hyundai Equus with nearly 1000 dealerships, the Equus still didn't sell.
I bet the next gen G90 still won't do very well against the yardstick Mercedes S Class and BMW 7 Series.
I bet the next gen G90 will won't sell well against the flop of the current LS500 either.
I suspect the next generation 6LS will go back to grass roots design.

Mar 31, 2022 | 10:03 PM

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The difference between an NA V8 and a turbo 6 is negligible within a brand.

That's why almost nobody offers an NA V8 anymore. Even the American brands are killing them off in favor of turbo 6's.

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G90 is very sad.
Even when it was a Hyundai Equus with nearly 1000 dealerships, the Equus still didn't sell.

Wrong again lol. Equus was only sold at 250 dealerships.

Just look at the stability of G90 sales compared to the literal drop off the cliff that is the LS500. And that's including the year before the G90 dealer network got halved again.

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I bet the next gen G90 will won't sell well against the flop of the current LS500 either.
I suspect the next generation 6LS will go back to grass roots design.

The way things are shaping up, I bet there won't even be a new LS sedan after this generation. That's what happens when you flop in your core market.

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Mar 31, 2022 | 10:48 PM

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Those turbo V-6 engines may get better mpg on paper but in the real world they will not. A lot of strain will be put on a 4300 pound car or a 3-ton LX by having only a V6, so the driver will want to really hammer it. As a result, gas mileage will be the same as a V8.

Mar 31, 2022 | 10:53 PM

#349

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peteharvey

Furthermore, 4LS vs 5LS - the LS500 weighs something like 340 lbs more than the old LS460.
Hence LS500's fuel consumption is even better considering how much more it weighs over LS460.

G90 is very sad.
Even when it was a Hyundai Equus with nearly 1000 dealerships, the Equus still didn't sell.
I bet the next gen G90 still won't do very well against the yardstick Mercedes S Class and BMW 7 Series.
I bet the next gen G90 will won't sell well against the flop of the current LS500 either.
I suspect the next generation 6LS will go back to grass roots design.

No, the 6 gen LS will have a turbo-4 to get an extra 1/4 mile per gallon better. I heard Toyota is developing a 13-speed automatic. Extensive testing was done and, due to increasing safety regulations, they decided to scrap their already incredibly downsized windows and will go with a camera system for looking outside instead.

Apr 1, 2022 | 05:31 AM

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Apr 1, 2022 | 02:32 PM

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(today's posts about a GLE deleted) this thread is about the 2023 genesis g90.

Apr 1, 2022 | 02:49 PM

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(today's posts about a GLE deleted) this thread is about the 2023 genesis g90.

Except for the one right above this from 8:45 this morning which was a response to your own post that was also totally off topic. Just sayin'

And also, this is my thread lol

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Apr 1, 2022 | 02:59 PM

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It would be sensational if Hyundai put a v8 in the next gen G90. They’d have instant prestige cred if there was V12. Sadly, I do not think the G90 will clear 400hp with their 3.5tt

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Apr 1, 2022 | 04:24 PM

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Except for the one right above this from 8:45 this morning which was a response to your own post that was also totally off topic. Just sayin'

my post wasn't about the GLE, nor was the reply mainly about it, which is why it stayed.

Apr 2, 2022 | 09:35 AM

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It would be sensational if Hyundai put a v8 in the next gen G90. They’d have instant prestige cred if there was V12. Sadly, I do not think the G90 will clear 400hp with their 3.5tt

Doesn't the new generation G90 make over 400hp with the optional electric supercharger?

Apr 2, 2022 | 09:40 AM

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Doesn't the new generation G90 make over 400hp with the optional electric supercharger?

Had no idea there was supercharged model

Apr 14, 2022 | 07:50 PM

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EPA just confirmed that we're getting the supercharged mild hybrid G90 for the U.S. to replace the V8.

Apr 25, 2022 | 10:49 AM

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A side-by-side comparison with the outgoing G90.

Other than the giga grille, I thought the old one was a pretty conservative design, but here it looks so much busier.

Apr 25, 2022 | 10:54 AM

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I always thought the outgoing G90 looked bloated, especially in the back. Hopefully Genesis got it right. Will know when seen in person. G80 looks smaller than I thought in person and on the road and lacks presence (but looks sensational at the dealer). Hopefully G90 has some presence.

Apr 25, 2022 | 01:13 PM

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Well that's interesting, the U.S. version of the supercharged TTV6 makes 420 horsepower, 11 more than the Korean version found in the LWB model.

2023 Genesis G90's 420-HP Hybrid V-6 Confirmed for U.S.

It's the same horsepower as the outgoing V8. Of course, it'll be much faster.