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I'm actually an equal opportunity buyer. I put down an order for an Ioniq 5 today because I think it's better than a Model Y. It's pretty cheap at $55k fully loaded relative to a lot of other cars (like an MDX) and the power is only adequate (0-60 in ~5s) but I like the rest of the features.
A couple of my friends have an X5. I don't see anything's that's impressive about those cars that would warrant a person not looking at an MDX. Nothing in that class is truly head and shoulders better than the competition.
I was not talking about you but don’t go calling German car owners “snobs” when most Tesla owners are the biggest snobs in automotive universe.
Read what I said before you make up nonsense about me
I wasn't implying everyone that buys German is a snob. I was specifically referring to the comment regarding nobody would cross shop Acura against MB. That is a snobbish attitude as far as I'm concerned.
I'm actually an equal opportunity buyer. I put down an order for an Ioniq 5 today because I think it's better than a Model Y. It's pretty cheap at $55k fully loaded relative to a lot of other cars (like an MDX) and the power is only adequate (0-60 in ~5s) but I like the rest of the features.
Motorola claimed the MDX S is a direct competitor among the X5 base. If you agree with that,I am happy for you. I just don’t agree. The Acura as a brand certainty does not compare with the Mercedes Benz.
I cross shopped both. And it came out on top. I have needs as a parent of 2 that needs a gimpy third row that the x5 couldn't achieve. The optional 3rd row in the x5 was just as bad as the rx350L ones.
Not really. The Model Y gets that more consistently and is 10mph faster in the trap at the quarter and a full second faster. Update the software to boost mode and it's really an even further separation.
The Ioniq is fast enough though and a better crossover in a lot of other ways and much cheaper. These crossover EVs are going to eat the IcE crossovers for lunch. They are faster, quieter, cheaper to run, cheaper to fuel and the mainstream brands are offering a good bit of luxury. I think you'll see the lower tier luxury guys go out of business. Acura, Infiniti, and Genesis may not make it in the transition.
Not really. The Model Y gets that more consistently and is 10mph faster in the trap at the quarter and a full second faster. Update the software to boost mode and it's really an even further separation.
I was talking specifically about your 0-60 claim, which was wrong. The Model Y accelerates faster at higher speeds because it has more some 60 more horsepower, but the 0-60 difference between a Model Y and Ioniq 5 is negligible.
The Ioniq is fast enough though and a better crossover in a lot of other ways and much cheaper. These crossover EVs are going to eat the IcE crossovers for lunch. They are faster, quieter, cheaper to run, cheaper to fuel and the mainstream brands are offering a good bit of luxury. I think you'll see the lower tier luxury guys go out of business. Acura, Infiniti, and Genesis may not make it in the transition.
How would Genesis die when they literally have their own version of the Ioniq 5 and will electrify their entire brand by 2025? Sounds like wishful thinking lol.
EV's have many advantages over ICE, but they are definitely not cheaper to buy, which effectively makes them priced at the same level as a luxury car. You said it yourself, $55K is "pretty cheap" for the Ioniq 5 even though it's a $55K Hyundai. The N version will inevitable be in the high $60K or low $70K range. And make no mistake, the Ioniq 5 is nice, but it's no Genesis at that price or even at $55K.
Back to the MDX, I'm surprised Honda hasn't bothered to make a hybrid version, like their MDX Sport Hybrid. A bit embarrassing how that old powertrain might be even faster than the one in the Type S.
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I was talking specifically about your 0-60 claim, which was wrong. The Model Y accelerates faster at higher speeds because it has more some 60 more horsepower, but the 0-60 difference between a Model Y and Ioniq 5 is negligible.
How would Genesis die when they literally have their own version of the Ioniq 5 and will electrify their entire brand by 2025? Sounds like wishful thinking lol.
EV's have many advantages over ICE, but they are definitely not cheaper to buy, which effectively makes them priced at the same level as a luxury car. You said it yourself, $55K is "pretty cheap" for the Ioniq 5 even though it's a $55K Hyundai. The N version will inevitable be in the high $60K or low $70K range. And make no mistake, the Ioniq 5 is nice, but it's no Genesis at that price or even at $55K.
Back to the MDX, I'm surprised Honda hasn't bothered to make a hybrid version, like their MDX Sport Hybrid. A bit embarrassing how that old powertrain might be even faster than the one in the Type S.
You can wish that it gets 0-60 similar to a Tesla, but most draggy results are more in the 4.8s for the Ioniq vs. mid 4s for the Model Y hence my "consistent" remark. You are free to do your own research but there is a whole thread in the Tesla forums on Model Y draggy times.
I think all of the lower tier luxury manufacturers will have a hard time in the EV transition including Genesis and Acura. I don't want Genesis to die but even with nice products, I barely see them in very wealthy so-cal which is a hub of luxury cars. Same with Acura...see them less and less every year. Its my speculation so feel free to ignore but wouldn't be surprised at all if either goes belly up.
You can wish that it gets 0-60 similar to a Tesla, but most draggy results are more in the 4.8s for the Ioniq vs. mid 4s for the Model Y hence my "consistent" remark. You are free to do your own research but there is a whole thread in the Tesla forums on Model Y draggy times.
Those 4.8s Ioniq 5's are the European/Korean versions with the smaller 72.6 kWH battery pack, while the U.S. gets the larger 77.4 kWH battery pack. That's why it's faster.
I think all of the lower tier luxury manufacturers will have a hard time in the EV transition including Genesis and Acura. I don't want Genesis to die but even with nice products, I barely see them in very wealthy so-cal which is a hub of luxury cars. Same with Acura...see them less and less every year. Its my speculation so feel free to ignore but wouldn't be surprised at all if either goes belly up.
This comment makes zero sense when Genesis is leaps and bounds ahead of any Japanese brand when it comes to electrification.
Those 4.8s Ioniq 5's are the European/Korean versions with the smaller 72.6 kWH battery pack, while the U.S. gets the larger 77.4 kWH battery pack. That's why it's faster.
This comment makes zero sense when Genesis is leaps and bounds ahead of any Japanese brand when it comes to electrification.
I've seen every youtube review and draggy tests on those and the US Ioniq 5s are around 4.8-5s. Edmunds, Redline, Alex, others so color me skeptical when they test the Ioniq over and over again and get the same results. Model Y has been done to death and there are dozens of draggy times that get in the 4.5s range easily. I'm sure they will drag race both eventually and we'll see whose right. My money is on the Model Y.
My comment on Genesis is that even with electrification, I see them having a hard time gaining traction as a luxury company. I really hope they succeed but I see far more new Teslas in my neighborhood than G70s or G80s and there are many Genesis dealers where I live. I see even less new Acuras. As I said, my speculation so feel free to disagree.
Motortrend did it in 4.1s without boost option. The draggys on the forums prove it out also. As I said, when they actually do a side by side race, I'll post it for you. My money will be on the Model Y from dig to the end just being ahead the whole time.
I said the lower tier luxury manufacturers may not fare well during the electrification transition. Thats because there are other competitors entering the woodworks from the Chinese to Rivian and Lucid. Its not because Genesis won't get to electrification first, its because there will be more competition to choose from. I think Acura and Infiniti are going to fare worse even during this transition but honestly don't know why people would pick Genesis vs. BMW or Mercedes or Tesla.
1. We aren't talking about what is available in the past or future, but now. Now, the MDX Type S has air suspension while the 6-cylinder X5 doesn't.
2. 600 more pounds definitely affects how a car rides and handles, it's not just about 0-60 times. That aside, the base X5 continues to be the volume seller and not the hybrid, and as I already mentioned those who look at the MDX Type S aren't interested in hybrids.
I don't mean to be offensive but IMO you know less about 40i and 45e than you think. While BMWUSA does not give the breakdown, I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are similar. In any case... I think the points about this direct competition is clear.
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And yes I agree, it is a totally long shot, the MDX Type S is quite forgettable compared to the competition, and gives little incentive over even the standard MDX. Acura should have just offered the air suspension in the standard MDX and called it a day. I can only see the Type S being bought by hardcore Acura enthusiasts with families.
It is absolutely a direct competitor. Just not a very good one.
