Lexus's new F performance structure
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I think it was *****d out long time ago. IS250 F-sport, RX F-sport, NX F-sport...all just makeup. No substance.
Lexus Test Driver
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F-Sport only has meaning if the F brand is alive and kicking, which is hard to say when there's literally only been 4 F vehicles in the entire history of Lexus (IS, GS, RC, and LFA)- all released at different times. So I don't think there was much of anything to dilute.
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Owned a F sport RX, it was unnecessary louder and suspension was hard. 2013 F sport the only Lexus we regretted buying. I actually rear ended someone 10 mins after buying the car because the brakes sucked so bad. Oem brakes in the RX are very soft and not 2 piston calipers on the front and 1 piston in the rear. Shared highlander and sienna..
On LS F sport attest we got some bigger brakes and GS sport also was the same case. the NX /RX and anything else F sport useless.
On LS F sport attest we got some bigger brakes and GS sport also was the same case. the NX /RX and anything else F sport useless.
The problem with F-Sport is that it has never been consistently applied. On the RX it's just an appearance package while on the GS, it gave actual performance upgrades like adaptive suspension, rear steer, bigger brakes, etc. And the GS was a relatively sporty car even in the base model to begin with.
Either way, I don't think the LC has much time left on the clock for any F upgrade with Toyota killing V8's left and right. Heck, it took them almost 3 years just to release a convertible.
Either way, I don't think the LC has much time left on the clock for any F upgrade with Toyota killing V8's left and right. Heck, it took them almost 3 years just to release a convertible.
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What is the point of F Sport when there is no real F cars?
LFA, gone
ISF, gone
GSF, gone
RC F is on its way out.
LC is not a F car, it’s Grand Touring.
The original F is the LS400, which stood for Flagship. Engineering something extraordinary, not some pieces of trim and a harsher ride. Lexus IS trying to milk the F brand without realising it has dried up long time ago.
LFA, gone
ISF, gone
GSF, gone
RC F is on its way out.
LC is not a F car, it’s Grand Touring.
The original F is the LS400, which stood for Flagship. Engineering something extraordinary, not some pieces of trim and a harsher ride. Lexus IS trying to milk the F brand without realising it has dried up long time ago.
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Hey, folks, Michael here from the ClubLexus editorial team. We have an article with a little more context here -- https://www.clublexus.com/articles/l...formance-line/ -- but this is what I've learned speaking directly with Lexus at SEMA this week --
First, they're going to be introducing more than 20 new/updated models in the next few years. Personally, I assume this means more F and F Sport Performance models. Next, I agree that adding extra words makes things clunky and confusing, especially when there aren't any new vehicles, but here's basically what the new structure means...
Hope that helps. Cheers!
First, they're going to be introducing more than 20 new/updated models in the next few years. Personally, I assume this means more F and F Sport Performance models. Next, I agree that adding extra words makes things clunky and confusing, especially when there aren't any new vehicles, but here's basically what the new structure means...
- F Sport Design (F Sport badge is all gray) is really the only NEW category announced this week. It's for customers who want the LOOK of F Sport (Black grilles & grey wheels) only.
- F Sport Handing (white background badge) effectively equals F Sport as it is today. In addition to exterior upgrades, you get the sport seats, steering wheel, and revised suspension tuning.
- F Sport Performance (black background badge), as introduced with the IS 500, adds in a more powerful drivetrain. (Sadly, I don't think they'll all be 2UR-GSE V8s, but who knows)
- And F will remain the pinnacle of Lexus performance... as soon as they start releasing new ones.
Hope that helps. Cheers!
Last edited by MPalmer; Nov 4, 2021 at 09:12 AM.
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Nope, these folks are very tight-lipped about future products.
Personally, though, I agree with the commenter above that the LC is already pretty much an F Sport (especially the carbon fiber roof coupes), so my guess is that resurrecting the canceled LC F would be more likely. But that's just speculation on my part.
Personally, though, I agree with the commenter above that the LC is already pretty much an F Sport (especially the carbon fiber roof coupes), so my guess is that resurrecting the canceled LC F would be more likely. But that's just speculation on my part.
Lexus Test Driver
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It would be nice to have Fsport model that builds on the Performance package and includes Fsport interior trim/colors, sportier suspension, unique wheels with upgraded tire package. Again there are MANY ways they can upgrade regular LC500 to create Fsport model.
Instructor
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I'll be happy with a few fsport performances models, mainly in the sedans, don't care much for the SUVs. I still think they need a GS type car in the lineup that would wear the fsport performances badge perfectly, in the mid 70s. I don't think that I'd the ES, should be a sexy 4 door coupe like vehicle with awd. Would be nice if they paid homage to the GS and included the G in the naming as well, like GES Fsport Performance lol.
Lead Lap
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But you see. Real sport cars don’t need to have a badge telling people it’s a sports car 😀
It should be earned and not told.
Just imagine how ridiculous it would be if Lexus starts sticking a C badge on its model to tell people it’s a “comfort” car because they have ruined it with the F upgrades.
It should be earned and not told.
Just imagine how ridiculous it would be if Lexus starts sticking a C badge on its model to tell people it’s a “comfort” car because they have ruined it with the F upgrades.
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But you see. Real sport cars don’t need to have a badge telling people it’s a sports car 😀
It should be earned and not told.
Just imagine how ridiculous it would be if Lexus starts sticking a C badge on its model to tell people it’s a “comfort” car because they have ruined it with the F upgrades.
It should be earned and not told.
Just imagine how ridiculous it would be if Lexus starts sticking a C badge on its model to tell people it’s a “comfort” car because they have ruined it with the F upgrades.
look what MB does
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