Saw an Elantra today...the rear is ugly as sin..

Honda Type R is a cut above. Plus Honda shows how inferior Hyundai engines really are...The Elantra N is behind by 30 horses despite the same engine size.

 

That makes no sense. Horsepower can easily be increased for any turbo car...its the spec they are after that determines how much horses they want in there. Are you implying that Lexus is inferior to Hyundai because their 2L turbo only makes 241hp with the same 2L displacement? By the same token, the VW 2L makes 315hp so it has to be the best right? This isn't the way to think about 2L engines. Its not hard to increase horsepower on any one of them but the car is built to a price point so Elantra N obviously didn't want to directly compete with the more expensive Type R.

 

The 0-60 of the Elantra is identical to the Type R- 5.3 seconds. No idea where you're getting the idea that it's an "inferior engine". Not to mention that using manufacturer-derived horsepower specs is a major fallacy. Do I need to mention the TLX Type S again?

 

That Lexus engine is meh

I didn't say it did.

 

But you are inferring they do compete by saying that the Hyundai engine is inferior to the Type R engine because it has horsepower. Having less horsepower doesn't mean Hyundai engines are inferior especially when they don't directly compete.

 

Hyundai is measuring 5.3 to 62MPH..

It is inferior based on horsepower ratings and the same size. My guess is that the fuel economy is inferior as well. The top speed of the Type R is also faster

 

So it reaches 60 faster than the Type R?

Top speed is electronically limited and has nothing to do with engine performance.

 

You said Honda shows how inferior Hyundai engines are. I'm saying thats not the correct comparison if they aren't competing with each other. I can also say Hyundai shows how inferior Toyota engines are using the same logic.

My point is that the Elantra N having less horsepower doesn't at all show that Hyundai is inferior at building engines especially given their relative price points.

 

I just disagree. The Honda engines across the entire line up of Civics are superior.

Feel free to show

 

Hyundai has a 2L 276hp engine. Toyota is 241hp. Higher is better right with the reasoning you used. I'm not going to argue the Civic engine is inferior/superior but the argument you used (more horsepower the better) was a bad argument to compare two cars that are priced differently with different objectives.

 

By the specs the Honda engine is superior. 306hp vs 276hp it’s quite obvious.

Based on the specs yes.

 

But that is one engine. what about the other various trims that produce less horsepower than the Hyunda 2L. Your original comment was that that one engine shows how inferior Hyundai engines are which it obviously doesn't because its one trim on their R spec design. It really doesn't show anything...except that Honda can build a good engine that has 306hp. Doesn't really speak to Hyundai's engine building process at all when they obviously made it cheaper than a Type R so it doesn't directly compete.

 

The Honda Civic regular 2.0l I4 makes more power than the regular 2.0l I4 Hyundai Elantra engine. The Toyota 2.0l in Corolla makes even more HP than both

As you get into the Accord and Sonata, the smaller Accord 1.5T makes more HP than the 1.6T Hyundai more as well.

Or maybe the Type R does compete with the Elantra N as Motorola claimed....but because Honda is a superior brand they can charge more for their product. What is your opinion on that ?

 

I think they go in between the Type R and Civic Si. They don't want to fully compete at the same price point and features because they don't have the brand cache and history to compete. So they give you a lot of the goodies of a Type R but at a cheaper price. I have no doubt that Hyundai can produce more powerful engines but pricing will always be a big concern of theirs as they have to price cheaper than the Japanese.

The one time they did try to compete at the same price, they blew away the Japanese in terms of horsepower. The Kia Stinger / G70 were excellent examples of when they put their best effort into a product and yielded great results.

 

I think I might give you the G70. NA never got the bigger HP I4 version tho. The IS has never been very competitive anyways