Just read this morning that Tesla has also activated the cabin camera to monitor driver inattentiveness while Autopilot is engaged. This should make CR happy.

Coupled with steering wheel torque, and other sensors, it should also make it more challenging for people to solo-drive from the backseat (which is plain dumb to be doing in the first place).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.eng...081511875.html

 

Its sad that we are forced to do these things to account for the brainless in our society.

 

Based on what information we have so far, it's very hard not to put two and two together, and point to the typical Tesla end of quarter push for this whole fiasco.

- 10 to 20k+ 3/Y reportedly stuck in Fremont on delivery holds. Customer delivery dates for this quarter all pushed back. Suspect parts/chip unavailability, but 'fix' is apparently coming and doesn't need to be done at the factory.
- End of quarter is approaching, and very possible radar modules won't arrive in time at Fremont. S and X are not being produced anyway, or in very tiny numbers like the refreshed Plaid, so any remaining modules earmarked for that.
- Shanghai factory not affected by parts availability, so they can still produce 3/Y with radar.
- Someone comes up with bright idea to go ahead and deliver the held up Fremont cars, and disable radar completely. Let's call it "Pure Vision" and investors will be happy.
- Since they couldn't make Pure Vision work with all the old features sans radar (yet, or maybe never will), they release it anyway while disabling certain features like Autosteer over 75mph, and increasing the following distance (to allow the cameras more time to react, and maybe widen the fov since they can't see two cars ahead anymore).
- As soon as Pure Vision released, customers waiting for their orders suddenly get notified that their cars are ready for delivery. Just in time for EoQ reporting.

The cynic in me believes that Tesla is still waiting for the radar modules, and once they can get enough supplies back, they might have to retrofit these back to get the IIHS ratings again. Radar might not be much use for their FSD side, but certain safety features like the forward collision warning just seems impossible going by the cameras alone.

 

Kolokmee very solid post and assessment.

pure vision should be renamed mcgoo vision.

Clever marketing to promote parts shortages affecting delivery as an "improvement".

 

lol, always back to the stock. Are you mad it's down 10% year to date?

trolling much? you must have overlooked the dozens of posts where i've praised tesla too. The fact that i wanted a model x but couldn't get past the quality issues. One more time (read it slowly), tesla is an amazing, innovative and disruptive company run by a genius. They have changed the car industry. Besides the vehicles which are amazing, they have challenged the status quo of dealers and many other things which i applaud. But that doesn't mean they're perfect. I've never wished for them to fail but even musk said they came close to going under. With that meteoric rise comes problems... many, like you, are willing to overlook and you don't even own one which is hilarious to me, but maybe for you it's only about the stock and your pursuit of early retirement. I wish you the best with that.

nice spin, but totally untrue.

 

Jackpot!!!! ......

Yes.....very well said.

 

Rubbish in rubbish out. AI can’t do squat if it can’t see what’s in front or judge distances correctly in certain weather conditions. Somehow you think AI can see what the human eye can’t ?

shame on Tesla for picking profits over safety.

“According to NHTSA, Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built on or after April 27, 2021, will no longer receive the agency’s check mark for FCW, AEB, lane departure warning (LDW), and dynamic brake support. NHTSA told CR that it rescinded the check marks after Tesla briefed the agency on production changes due to the transition to Tesla Vision from radar.

Because of the change, Consumer Reports no longer lists the Model 3 as a Top Pick, and IIHS plans to remove the Model 3’s Top Safety Pick+ designation. NHTSA’s website has already been updated to reflect the availability of these safety features. ”

 

Read my prior post. They removed the check marks because they haven't tested the new system yet. They will have to regrade the new cars and provide the new scores. The current car uses mostly vision for the safety systems. Let's see how the new system does in their tests before we come to any conclusions.

 

Pretty disappointing. I wonder if this has happened to any other automaker where they remove safety stuff which then leads to a downgrade. I personally think the testing should have been completed, then the transition complete…so it would have been a seamless affair

 

If this is genuinely due to components shortage outside of Tesla's control, then it's a whole different story.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors...meone_who_has/

tl;dr - Someone who had a previous Tesla with the radar bought a new Tesla without the radar, and the FSD is a lot worse, at least during rain.

 

That is true, Tesla Vision is having some challenges with inclement weather. It is bound to improve and the Reddit post already stated receiving new updates in this short time.

Quoting another member from the Tesla forum:

”Well, as someone that has matriculated through the various AP versions I can say that whenever they do a major change like this it ALWAYS gets way WORSE than the previous version. But as more AP miles are logged and they update things it eventually surpasses the previous version. If anyone on here remembers how awful it was when the M3 first came out compared to AP1 or AP2 you know what I mean. Just give it some time. These are always the disadvantages of being an early adopter.”

I may not use Tesla Vision-based AP right away in bad weather but I’m sure the tech will improve as they collect more data. I doubt competing solutions behave flawlessly in inclement weather either. Regardless of implementation (from any brand), I still expect to be ready to take over when necessary.

 

FatherTo1 you're very tolerant of stuff like this it seems. I've never had a car with adaptive cruise and safety features that didn't work in inclement weather and i sure wouldn't be happy waiting for who knows how long as the manufacturer 'collects data' while my car is unsafe.

I don't know if it's component shortage that has made tesla decide to ship cars without radar, but if it is, it's definitely a tough spot for tesla as they need to ship cars of course. Many other manufacturers are facing huge problems of not being able to ship at all.

 

I am tolerant of it because AP was not a driver for me to buy a Tesla. I still enjoy the rest of the car. I had radar and FSD on our Model S and barely used the features. I simply enjoy the act of driving itself.

Saying the car is unsafe to drive because parts of AP don’t work in all situations is a stretch. Whether assisted driving works well or not you’re still in charge and supposed to pay attention. The car is still perfectly safe to drive without AP. Besides, it’s not like ICE cars are immune to safety issues requiring actual recalls. Here, Ford had to recall 300K vehicles due to brake fluid leaks that reduce brake force. Now that sounds more like a serious safety issue:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...-brake-recall/

Tesla has their issues and challenges but I personally feel it is overblown by media. The media hasn’t jumped on the Mustang Mach E where a software glitch prevented owners from charging their new EV at home. Ford couldn’t even push an OTA update for it, owners needed to take the car back to the dealership or tow it if the battery died.

Tesla has a lot of growing pains from the sheer fact that they’re charting new territory and leading the industry. If that seems too risky for people to trust Tesla then I respect that. I was not an early adopter but feel Tesla has proven the technology works and will only get better with time.

 

I wouldn't trust Autopilot in inclement weather even with radar. When I drive in a downpour, I watch cars in front of me to see how they are moving. I can see areas where some cars start to slip and I ease through those sections. Autopilot won't account for things like that. I only trust it when it's a highway with decent weather. Even then I pay attention. It's also great in stop and go. In all other situations, I'm driving, mostly passing everyone because I'm faster than them