The experience of a modern ICE car is getting just as sterilized as an EV, and its not the vehicle manufacturers fault. All the safety and stability control systems pretty much require electronic throttle, steering and brake control, further isolating the driver for the driving experience. This is why older "analog" ICE cars have been shooting up in price.

 

Which specific EV have you driven that feels like a golf cart with a body kit?

 

These newfangled veehickels will never replace horse-drawn wagons. People have to stop every so often to put "gasoline" in them. What if there aint no place selling gasoline where the veehickel stops because its "tank" is empty? And you got to stop the veehickel and get out to put the gasoline in! Even if it's raining or snowing and you get all wet. It takes time for the stuff to get into the "gas tank" and who has time to waste just standing there. You put a feed bag on your horse and it can eat WHILE MOVING ALONG. And a horse can work for ten years, and don't require no fancy "mechanic" to fix 'em. And have you seen what a can of gasoline costs! You can buy three bushels of oats for that much money. That Ford guy is nuts.

 

Your sarcasm will be noted IF we ever get an adequate electric-charging-station network for those who do not (or cannot, because of design) have them in their homes. And, as of now, that is still a long IF.




OR your ICE stocks. ​​​​​​​

 

Yeah, a golf cart that goes 0>60 in under 4 seconds.

 

Look up Storedot batteries. They already have batteries that charge to 80% in five minutes, and will have 100% 5 minute charges in a few years. They have batteries out to various manufacturers for testing already. So for everyone that is worried about charging taking too long, this issue is already almost solved, they just aren’t in production cars yet. Regardless, the tech exists, which is great.

To those that think fewer people will be driving in the future, your correct IMO. It will eventually be reserved for the rich. More will work from home. Car use will be taxed. Owning an ICE engine will be a spectacle. This is far in the future. But we are headed there, at least anywhere near a metro. Indy already has small EV cars you can rent on the street. So people who live downtown and work downtown don’t need cars. If you need to drive, you just run your card and get in an EV. Otherwise, walk or bike. They also have bikes and scooters for rent on the street.

Drones that drop off groceries are already being tested. A driverless Uber force is planned. We are seeing the plans for infrastructure that doesn't require personal vehicles for large populations, in its infancy.

We do need more power, but I bet we start to see that soon. The sun can create power. The wind can. It’s all around us, we just need to harness it. Technically, houses can self sustain with the right equipment in sunny states. That technology is advancing as well.

 

Not sarcasm, actual reasons people gave for why nothing would successfully replace horses for private transportation. Also, not every town had a place that sold gasoline, some places sold it by the can, and if not, it had to be manually pumped up into a glass container, then drained in the auto, a slow physical process. No one envisioned gas stations with 20 electric pumps, on seemingly every corner. They were as sure they were right as are those who think EVs have too many drawbacks to succeed. The time in which EV will sell more than ICE will be much shorter than the time it took for autos to replace horses, not IF, but how soon.

 

So it does 0-60 in under 4? Big deal. So what? So does the golf ball itself, when one tees off.

 

I still find it hilarious how many obstacles EVs still face. Half of the country doesn’t want them (my guess) and cars are cleaner than ever. It’s still going to be a long time before infrastructure catches up.

My OLD LS430 designed in the late 90s is a SULEV. That was 20 years ago.

 

I needed this!! Thanks for this great analogy!!

 

I think its great that half do want them and they should get that choice. I also think that rushing EV adoption by banning ICE is the wrong approach. I think if EV had enough supporting infrastructure and was nearly equivalent in terms of convenience, people will naturally gravitate toward them as they will offer a better solution (faster, less cost to own, smoother, quieter, cleaner) over ICE. ICE will naturally go away given there is a superior technology.

 

"Analog" ICE cars without ABS or traction control or airbags are also more likely to kill you, so there's that to keep in mind.

I do find it quite funny how one of the big draws of ICE is supposedly the "engine sound", when in reality most new cars nowadays simply have pumped-in audio mimicking engine sounds because the engines themselves are so quiet.

 

Thats why in the summer I almost never drive, and instead enjoy my motorcycle. No fake sounds or electronics.

 

Agree. If people want them, more power to them and I’m glad there are lots of choices. My problem is them being forced on me. I do disagree, though, that EV is superior.

I’ve used this example before but a diesel 8500lb Ford F-350 has a 4 figure torque rating, will smoke 9/10 luxury cars from 20 years ago, and deliver 15-16 MPG unloaded. What is there not to like about that? (Other than the cost of admission lol.)

 

Good luck trying to repair it a few years later, modern diesels are so complex and lose their efficiency very quickly with carbon build up. High pressure pumps, injectors, multiple egr, multiple cats and dpf system are not designed to last long and are very expensive to repair. It is the same with gasoline DI turbo cars, but not as bad.