Notices
Car Chat General discussion about Lexus, other auto manufacturers and automotive news.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Innova

Thinning the herd

Old Feb 27, 2021 | 06:29 PM
  #16  
mmarshall's Avatar
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 94,521
Likes: 261
From: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
That’s not a mechanical problem.

Anyways like I said, it’s not a popular opinion but I stand by it. Honda’s are very ordinary when it comes to reliability, certainly nothing special. Many many cars that will be just as reliable or more so, CERTAINLY not a peer to Toyota.

Well, I certainly respect your opinion, but I've seen a lot of many past-vintage Hondas go 200-300K....although I'll agree that the 90s-vintage models were definitely a cut above the ones of a decade later.

Anyhow, back to the OP's Fit....I suspect that, from the conditions in the picture, he lives in a snowy climate with lots of road salt....and we all know what road salt does to steel driveshafts and other under-chassis parts.
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2021 | 06:33 PM
  #17  
Wilson2000's Avatar
Wilson2000
Pole Position
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 2,738
Likes: 544
From: CA
Default

Have to agree with Steve here. My extended family and friends have had many Toyotas and Hondas over the decades. The Toyotas have proven to be far more reliable. Honda beats Toyota in some measures other than quality, but when your Honda breaks, none of the that matters.
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2021 | 06:44 PM
  #18  
sdls's Avatar
sdls
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,218
Likes: 300
From: NA
Default

Originally Posted by mmarshall
The entire generation of American-market 80s Toyota trucks were famous for severe rust-failures of the truck-beds.



$5500 OBO. No tire kickers! No joy rides and NO LOW BALLERS.
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2021 | 07:17 PM
  #19  
stasek's Avatar
stasek
Thread Starter
Advanced
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 695
Likes: 78
From: Illinois
Default

Well, we’ll, well.... what do you know.... a day late and a dollar short....

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-co...-shaft-recalls
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2021 | 07:32 PM
  #20  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,832
Likes: 4,107
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well, I certainly respect your opinion, but I've seen a lot of many past-vintage Hondas go 200-300K....although I'll agree that the 90s-vintage models were definitely a cut above the ones of a decade later.
You can find many examples of many cars that have 200-300k on them that doesn’t mean that they have a track record for reliability. I had a 95 Ford Explorer with 225k on it, doesn’t mean Ford deserves the same reputation for reliability as Toyota.

Originally Posted by Wilson2000
Have to agree with Steve here. My extended family and friends have had many Toyotas and Hondas over the decades. The Toyotas have proven to be far more reliable. Honda beats Toyota in some measures other than quality, but when your Honda breaks, none of the that matters.
Yep, I hear that over and over again.

Originally Posted by stasek
Well, we’ll, well.... what do you know.... a day late and a dollar short....

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-co...-shaft-recalls
Haha! That’s pretty funny.
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2021 | 08:12 PM
  #21  
bitkahuna's Avatar
bitkahuna
CL Community Team
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 80,864
Likes: 4,027
Default

Originally Posted by stasek
Well, we’ll, well.... what do you know.... a day late and a dollar short....

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-co...-shaft-recalls
bummer you didn't know about that as could have had the problem fixed for free. Your tow guy's going to be very happy with his $800 "cream puff"
Reply
Old Feb 28, 2021 | 03:07 PM
  #22  
rangerryda's Avatar
rangerryda
Rookie
 
Joined: Jan 2021
Posts: 39
Likes: 3
From: FL
Default

I'm surprised there was significant rust with it. I figured Honda wouldn't have those issues that soon.
Reply
Old Feb 28, 2021 | 03:16 PM
  #23  
mmarshall's Avatar
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 94,521
Likes: 261
From: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
You can find many examples of many cars that have 200-300k on them that doesn’t mean that they have a track record for reliability. I had a 95 Ford Explorer with 225k on it, doesn’t mean Ford deserves the same reputation for reliability as Toyota.
225K is 225K, regardless of the symbol on the grille.....although at the rate you and I replace our vehicles, we probably won't see that mileage again, though I plan to keep this GX longer than the Lacrosse.
Reply
Old Feb 28, 2021 | 03:34 PM
  #24  
jer's Avatar
jer
Pole Position
15 Year Member
Community Builder
Active Streak: 30 Days
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,034
Likes: 150
From: fl
Default

Could part of the issue be the fact that the Fit was also on a rebuilt title per the OP? Maybe this caused some inherent problems that plagued the vehicle from the get-go.
Reply
Old Feb 28, 2021 | 05:34 PM
  #25  
stasek's Avatar
stasek
Thread Starter
Advanced
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 695
Likes: 78
From: Illinois
Default

Originally Posted by jer
Could part of the issue be the fact that the Fit was also on a rebuilt title per the OP? Maybe this caused some inherent problems that plagued the vehicle from the get-go.
I doubt it. The car had relatively minor damage to rear quarter panel. Doesn’t take much to declare total loss on a 8-9 year old Fit.

For chits and giggles, I did a quick search for Honda recalls.... not sure how this list compares to other manufacturers, but the list is surprisingly long.

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-co...annels/recalls
Reply
Old Feb 28, 2021 | 05:41 PM
  #26  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,832
Likes: 4,107
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by mmarshall
225K is 225K, regardless of the symbol on the grille.....although at the rate you and I replace our vehicles, we probably won't see that mileage again, though I plan to keep this GX longer than the Lacrosse.
Sure, any car's best years are behind it at 225,000 miles, but there are clear differences in reliability between brands.

I wouldn't call Hondas "unreliable" I just don't think they deserve their reputation as being exceptionally reliable by a long shot.
Reply
Old Feb 28, 2021 | 06:31 PM
  #27  
mmarshall's Avatar
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 94,521
Likes: 261
From: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
I wouldn't call Hondas "unreliable" I just don't think they deserve their reputation as being exceptionally reliable by a long shot.

Today, no, I fully agree. Honda did not slide so far down CR's reliability-ranks for nothing. But that was not always the case. Outside of the rust problem, the 70s-through-90s Hondas built their records on industry-leading reliability.

There were a couple of exceptions, I'll admit....the 1990s-vintage Honda Passport and Acura SLX SUVs, because they were not true Hondas but rebadged Isuzu-designed SUVs. Honda was late getting into the SUV market, and, at first, they signed a deal with Isuzu (you might remember it) where Honda got rebadged Isuzu Rodeos and Troopers to sell under their own nameplate in the U.S., and Isuzu got a rebadged Honda Civic to sell in the home Japanese market as an Isuzu I-Mark sedan. Isuzu had tried selling their own I-Mark sedans in the U.S. under their own nameplate, but with little success, as those cars were well-built but crude and unrefined, unlike Civics,

The Isuzu built SUVs were not lemons, but they clearly lacked the reliability of 90s-vintage Honda designs, and the original Trooper (Acura SLX) failed Consumer Report's roll-over test.
Reply
Old Feb 28, 2021 | 06:48 PM
  #28  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,832
Likes: 4,107
From: Maryland
Default

Most people are buying cars today, not 30+ years ago. So however their cars were decades ago doesn’t mean much to buyers today.
Reply
Old Feb 28, 2021 | 08:37 PM
  #29  
Aron9000's Avatar
Aron9000
Lexus Champion
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
 
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,592
Likes: 31
From: TN
Default

I've always thought with Honda, you buy one of their smaller 4 cylinder cars without a turbo like a Civic or Accord. Manual transmission if you want the full Honda experience, cause their manuals are just sublime to drive. Just something basic, because Honda does basic better than anybody in the business IMO. Thing is the days of "basic" are now gone, no more manuals, no more small cars(Civic is the last one left, they had like 4-5 options back in the 90's/early 00's), no more naturally aspirated 4 cylinders, everything is now a turbo 4 or V6. Which makes me sad, cause old school Honda made some absolutely brilliant driver's cars like the S2000, nothing was quite like driving that car like you hated it,downshifting at 4500rpm because you fell off the cam lol.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
satiger
ES - 1st to 6th Gen (1990-2018)
6
Feb 27, 2021 10:05 PM
Stereorob
Car Chat
24
Jul 5, 2020 08:06 AM
MPLexus301
Car Chat
11
Aug 5, 2006 06:47 PM
BIGG_FEEK
ES - 1st to 6th Gen (1990-2018)
4
Jul 6, 2005 12:40 PM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:00 AM.