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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 10:51 AM
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To protect the rest of the players. LG and Panasonic make far better panels at higher cost though. I guess you don't want them going out of business due to their cost structures being way higher. Everything with China and tariffs is political too so can't really go into deep arguments on that subject here.
Seems a little short sighted considering the fate of the planet is supposedly at stake. They are still bought and installed all day long around here. Just cost more than they should.
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 01:28 PM
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Tesla's solar roof is downright awesome too bad it's taking them so long to make it in volume. But it's amazing every single house should have one.

Back to GM they have a very long history of botching every EV they come out with will be interesting to see if they finally are serious.
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 03:35 PM
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Back to GM they have a very long history of botching every EV they come out with will be interesting to see if they finally are serious.

I wouldn't call the Chevy Bolt "botched" just because it doesn't sell in the Tesla Model 3's numbers. Though its motor and battery are not as advanced as the Model 3's, it is still a decent small BEV. Somewhat overpriced perhaps, but, IMO, but that is the case with virtually every BEV. And, come to think of it, it does sell pretty well here in the D. C. area.
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 04:01 PM
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I wouldn't call the Chevy Bolt "botched" just because it doesn't sell in the Tesla Model 3's numbers. Though its motor and battery are not as advanced as the Model 3's, it is still a decent small BEV. Somewhat overpriced perhaps, but, IMO, but that is the case with virtually every BEV. And, come to think of it, it does sell pretty well here in the D. C. area.
When it first came out, it was competitive but then GM "botched" the revisions thereafter. They kind of just let it stagnate and now, its not competitive anymore. The only saving grace is that you can get one for dirt cheap because of the incentives. I have a good friend who leased it for a couple years but upgraded to a Model Y. He thinks GM is way behind in EV at this point.
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 04:06 PM
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GM did botch the Bolt, just look at it. It had decent tech but they decided to make it as ugly as possible to discourage people from buying it. Classic GM.
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 04:24 PM
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GM did botch the Bolt, just look at it. It had decent tech but they decided to make it as ugly as possible to discourage people from buying it. Classic GM.

A lot of people in this area seem to like the Bolt, but, no it is not as popular as the Model 3. And, if you are going to start tossing stones at ugliness, IMO, the Model 3's interior is about as strange as they come.

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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I wouldn't call the Chevy Bolt "botched" just because it doesn't sell in the Tesla Model 3's numbers. Though its motor and battery are not as advanced as the Model 3's, it is still a decent small BEV. Somewhat overpriced perhaps, but, IMO, but that is the case with virtually every BEV. And, come to think of it, it does sell pretty well here in the D. C. area.
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A lot of people in this area seem to like the Bolt, but, no it is not as popular as the Model 3. And, if you are going to start tossing stones at ugliness, IMO, the Model 3's interior is about as strange as they come.


What does the bolt look like?
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 05:18 PM
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Why would California pay for a private sector utility? The utilities will do what they always do and raise debt to build out infrastructure. California also charges an EV tax to offset the gas tax so no money lost there. If there is an opportunity to make a lot of money through additional infrastructure investments economics dictates someone will take advantage of the opportunity it. This will happen.
Cali has an idiotic incentive that makes more profit by building the power plant itself than actually selling the electricity. Guess who gets to pay for it. Some of the highest costs in the nation yet very high overcapacity while demand is falling and still importing a substantial amount of power. Total lunacy.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-...city-capacity/

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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 05:31 PM
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What does the bolt look like?




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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 05:38 PM
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That center console looks like a urinal.
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 05:43 PM
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That center console looks like a urinal.

IMO, 100 to 1 better-looking than the Model 3's dash. And, at least on the Bolt, you don't have to scroll through a screen to find everything.
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 05:47 PM
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IMO, 100 to 1 better-looking than the Model 3's dash. And, at least on the Bolt, you don't have to scroll through a screen to find everything.
Seriously? Sure, the Tesla interior has a lot to be desired, but that Bolt interior just looks awfully cheap and ugly. And the Tesla screen is a lot more functional in the end of the day.
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 05:50 PM
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Cali has an idiotic incentive that makes more profit by building the power plant itself than actually selling the electricity. Guess who gets to pay for it. Some of the highest costs in the nation yet very high overcapacity while demand is falling and still importing a substantial amount of power. Total lunacy.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-...city-capacity/
Good article. The article even states that California has all the power it needs (article was from 2017 so i'm sure the EV uptake will change the equation). The lunacy of the rolling blackouts isn't that the system is stressed...its because they have to turn off the powerplants in case it causes a fire in severe heat. Its not a capability issue but a safety issue where i live and we only had the blackouts for a week. I envision most solar installations will get a battery backup in the future as those prices will continue to keep dropping. I have no doubt, most regions in the US will have no issues building more infrastructure if there is a revenue opportunity. Its extremely easy to get funded with a guaranteed revenue stream for the taking.
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall



Thanks for the pic. 👍
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 06:45 PM
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I gotta agree the Model 3 is way better looking than the Bolt
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