2022 bmw m5 cs
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i haven’t driven it obv, and I’m not the target buyer for the car, I totally get that, but others who are saying it’s worth it have driven it either so I guess we are all in the same boat.
My statement had more to do with my opinion that a buyer spending $150k would lean towards a Porsche or MB, for the badge snobbery. BMW has a tough time with really expensive cars despite the car being capable. I’m sure some people will buy it, but it’s kind of like Acura and the new NSX, or even Lexus and the LFA (I know it’s a collectors now). And when cars like this fail, car companies scrap other sports car programs that have a higher potential to be successful.
Lots of automotive budgeting is getting funneled towards electrification, so I’d rather M money be spent towards something like an m3 wagon at the $80k price point. Something I’d consider buying, and something more BMW buyers, IMO, would be interested in. BMW does well at that price.
so I respect bmw for making it as a halo sports sedan, even more so that it’s possibly better than a panamera or MB AMG competitors, but I don’t see it as a huge success for the company, and rather see a different car come out of their M division. But it is a notch on BMW’s headboard so I do give them some props for it.
I hope this message contextualizes why I said it’s a useless car.
My statement had more to do with my opinion that a buyer spending $150k would lean towards a Porsche or MB, for the badge snobbery. BMW has a tough time with really expensive cars despite the car being capable. I’m sure some people will buy it, but it’s kind of like Acura and the new NSX, or even Lexus and the LFA (I know it’s a collectors now). And when cars like this fail, car companies scrap other sports car programs that have a higher potential to be successful.
Lots of automotive budgeting is getting funneled towards electrification, so I’d rather M money be spent towards something like an m3 wagon at the $80k price point. Something I’d consider buying, and something more BMW buyers, IMO, would be interested in. BMW does well at that price.
so I respect bmw for making it as a halo sports sedan, even more so that it’s possibly better than a panamera or MB AMG competitors, but I don’t see it as a huge success for the company, and rather see a different car come out of their M division. But it is a notch on BMW’s headboard so I do give them some props for it.
I hope this message contextualizes why I said it’s a useless car.
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I am open for a good discussion with you...So you are right that price point is in where the Porsche cars appear...however, I think this car is for a true BMW fan...a collector...someone who might track their car... While I get there is electrification going on, the big profit is in these gas models that companies are selling for high prices...it doesn't cost BMW that much more to build this model over the M5 that already exists...and really doesn't cost them all that much to build these models compared to the lower end 5 series modes. Lexus is doing the same thing with the RC-F track edition. Or the fancy LC Aviation trim lines etc.
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the CT5 black wing could be an interesting car. Unless it’s priced at $150k like the m5CS lol, which it almost certainly won’t be. I think Cadillac knows how much it’s core demographic will pay, something BMW has yet to figure out.
650 horses, manual transmission prob top out at $100k.
the CT5 black wing could be an interesting car. Unless it’s priced at $150k like the m5CS lol, which it almost certainly won’t be. I think Cadillac knows how much it’s core demographic will pay, something BMW has yet to figure out.
650 horses, manual transmission prob top out at $100k.
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BTW the real funny money starts if you want Porsche GT car or mid engine Ferrari. 😀
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https://www.carscoops.com/2021/01/20...but-on-monday/
the CT5 black wing could be an interesting car. Unless it’s priced at $150k like the m5CS lol, which it almost certainly won’t be. I think Cadillac knows how much it’s core demographic will pay, something BMW has yet to figure out.
650 horses, manual transmission prob top out at $100k.
the CT5 black wing could be an interesting car. Unless it’s priced at $150k like the m5CS lol, which it almost certainly won’t be. I think Cadillac knows how much it’s core demographic will pay, something BMW has yet to figure out.
650 horses, manual transmission prob top out at $100k.
Go try to get new M2cs right now - M5cs will sell without issue.
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pm me I’ll give you her number.
I agree that the CT5 will Sit around. I think m5 CS will sit around as well. But the CT 5 after a nice discount on leftover stock seems like a good buy. Chevy SSs that also sat around, were bought for 20% off. Those still sell for high $30k to low $40k. That was a good buy at the end of the model year.
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i can get an M2CS right now. My CA from whom I bough a m2 comp last month just asked if I was interested. She’ll even try to shave some $ off sticker. Plenty for sale at sticker if you do a search.
pm me I’ll give you her number.
I agree that the CT5 will Sit around. I think m5 CS will sit around as well. But the CT 5 after a nice discount on leftover stock seems like a good buy. Chevy SSs that also sat around, were bought for 20% off. Those still sell for high $30k to low $40k. That was a good buy at the end of the model year.
pm me I’ll give you her number.
I agree that the CT5 will Sit around. I think m5 CS will sit around as well. But the CT 5 after a nice discount on leftover stock seems like a good buy. Chevy SSs that also sat around, were bought for 20% off. Those still sell for high $30k to low $40k. That was a good buy at the end of the model year.
Putting $$$ towards another car if i get an allocation.
My local dealers have sold every M2cs they received. There are ones available but don’t last long.
I disagree on M5cs bec its only a 1 model year run and price is not that much higher vs a fully specced M5comp with CCBs. It has gotten very positive reception also.
The issue with Caddy is they killed any prestige the brand ever had and then to kill the CTS and V model names - I can’t imagine supporting a brand like this. Hopefully CT5 is amazing and sells well but I don’t have much hopes.
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I passed on M2cs at msrp for custom allocation and decided to keep my M3comp.
Putting $$$ towards another car if i get an allocation.
My local dealers have sold every M2cs they received. There are ones available but don’t last long.
I disagree on M5cs bec its only a 1 model year run and price is not that much higher vs a fully specced M5comp with CCBs. It has gotten very positive reception also.
The issue with Caddy is they killed any prestige the brand ever had and then to kill the CTS and V model names - I can’t imagine supporting a brand like this. Hopefully CT5 is amazing and sells well but I don’t have much hopes.
Putting $$$ towards another car if i get an allocation.
My local dealers have sold every M2cs they received. There are ones available but don’t last long.
I disagree on M5cs bec its only a 1 model year run and price is not that much higher vs a fully specced M5comp with CCBs. It has gotten very positive reception also.
The issue with Caddy is they killed any prestige the brand ever had and then to kill the CTS and V model names - I can’t imagine supporting a brand like this. Hopefully CT5 is amazing and sells well but I don’t have much hopes.
Plus as this quote from the article says, there probably won't be many around for BMW or consumers to worry about.
"We don't expect many will be found on dealer lots. With such a limited run, they'll probably all be spoken for long before they roll off the boat in the United States."
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CT5 Blackwing is the replacement for CTS-V.
Cadillac in their infinite wisdom decided to change the name of ATS to CT4 and CTS to CT5.
CT5 Blackwing will be a competitor to M5 or at least Cadillac hopes it is.
I understand how this can be confusing......
Cadillac in their infinite wisdom decided to change the name of ATS to CT4 and CTS to CT5.
CT5 Blackwing will be a competitor to M5 or at least Cadillac hopes it is.
I understand how this can be confusing......
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This.
Plus as this quote from the article says, there probably won't be many around for BMW or consumers to worry about.
"We don't expect many will be found on dealer lots. With such a limited run, they'll probably all be spoken for long before they roll off the boat in the United States."
Plus as this quote from the article says, there probably won't be many around for BMW or consumers to worry about.
"We don't expect many will be found on dealer lots. With such a limited run, they'll probably all be spoken for long before they roll off the boat in the United States."
I guess we’ll see. I remember m3cs and M4cs sat around for awhile and were heavily incentivized bc of price. I predict the same for this M5CS, which brings us back to the original argument. 60 some odd M2CSs for sale as well. First used one just popped up for $2k under MSRP on cars.com.
let’s see how many make it to the US.
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