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Old Jun 15, 2020 | 10:28 PM
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Diamond quilted leather isn't reserved for Bentley's and Roll's anymore. Now available on 20k Nissan's. Lol.
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I greatly hate this ridiculous trend of having the headlights low on the bumper and Drl's and turn signals up top.
it was inevitable and hood lines got more and more stupidly high. I think it's great personally. The kia soul front says badass to me.

As for this rogue, it could be a chevy-ford-jeep-whatever...
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more reviews coming in... it's better than a poke in the eye.
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Old Oct 26, 2020 | 08:39 PM
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A possible new vehicle for my brother's GF. We had to stop planning/shopping for her next vehicle because she recently fell and dislocated her wrist/forearm, requiring surgery, therapy and a long recovery. Might work out better for her in the long run, though, that she waited until now instead of earlier in the year....this way, we'll know what vehicles are too high (or low) or awkwardly-designed for her to easily get in and out of with a sore arm.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
it was inevitable and hood lines got more and more stupidly high. I think it's great personally. The kia soul front says badass to me.
Aren't hood-lines getting taller as a pedestrian-safety feature?...to help keep persons from being tossed back up on the the hood and either into the windshield, or off the side of the vehicle, over one of the front fenders?
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Aren't hood-lines getting taller as a pedestrian-safety feature?...to help keep persons from being tossed back up on the the hood and either into the windshield, or off the side of the vehicle, over one of the front fenders?
The problem is the hard points under the hood - engine block etc. If you hit a pedestrian and their head strikes the hood with no clearance underneath then it's like their head hitting the engine block directly and the impact is generally fatal. If you can create a few inches of space between the underside of the hood and the hard points then the pedestrian's head will hit the softer bodywork and deform it but there's far less chance of the impact being fatal. Some sports car manufacturers don't want to lose the low hood line so they create this space during impact by having pop up hoods.
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Originally Posted by Big Andy
If you can create a few inches of space between the underside of the hood and the hard points then the pedestrian's head will hit the softer bodywork and deform it but there's far less chance of the impact being fatal.
Probably some truth to that, given how thin and prone to dents/buckles much of today's sheet metal is.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Probably some truth to that, given how thin and prone to dents/buckles much of today's sheet metal is.
Actually, theres all truth to that.
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Old Oct 27, 2020 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Actually, theres all truth to that.

I used the term "some" truth because no two human bodies are exactly alike.....some would perish from an impact that would barely-faze others.
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I just....I cant lol

Anyways...the reason hoodlines are getting taller is for pedestrian safety for all the reasons laid out above. Thats a fact.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I just....I cant lol

Anyways...the reason hoodlines are getting taller is for pedestrian safety for all the reasons laid out above. Thats a fact.
Of course, with the advent of EVs, many with their drivetrain over the back axles, there is the opportunity to design lower hoods while maintaining that space underneath - the Tesla Model 3 has a very low hood.
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Originally Posted by Big Andy
Of course, with the advent of EVs, many with their drivetrain over the back axles, there is the opportunity to design lower hoods while maintaining that space underneath - the Tesla Model 3 has a very low hood.
Yep, and without an engine there you can do that. Its about space for the hood to absorb energy
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Anyways...the reason hoodlines are getting taller is for pedestrian safety for all the reasons laid out above. Thats a fact.
that is absolutely not the only reason. no one can convince me the new chevy silerado hood needs to be 6 feet high to save pedestrians.

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
that is absolutely not the only reason. no one can convince me the new chevy silerado hood needs to be 6 feet high to save pedestrians.
Thats a totally different thing. Trucks are exempt from those requirements, and these are largely European and Asian regulations, American pickups arent sold there and thus dont have to meet them. I'm talking about passenger cars.

Here ya go:

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...atter-feature/

Think modern cars look bloated? Of course you do. Part of what you're seeing is the effect of European and Asian pedestrian-protection requirements that went live last decade. The idea is to leave enough space beneath the hood to keep a struck pedestrian's head from caving it in far enough to hit the top of the engine. So, you'd expect higher hoods and taller noses. But that little bit of air over the intake manifold ripples through and changes everything.

A minimum of 20 mm (0.8 inch) of clearance is required between the underside of the hood and the highest part of the engine or any other hard point such as the windshield-wiper motor or the HVAC plenum. This raises not only the front of the hood but also its trailing edge by at least 0.8 inch.
With the rear edge of the hood elevated, the entire cowl must be raised a like amount—or a bit more if the designers want a wedge-shaped profile. This moves the windshield base and the dash higher as well.
A taller cowl and dash force the front seats to be raised for visibility.
With people sitting higher in the car, the roof goes up to maintain headroom.
Now that the roof is higher, the beltline (the base of the side windows) has to be lifted to keep the car from looking bubbleheaded.
The higher beltline adds sheetmetal above the rear-wheel openings, reducing the wheel-to-body ratio.
Would you believe that pedestrian protection influences wheel sizes? With wheel openings relatively smaller than those on cars made before the regs, the 245/50-18s on, say, a base BMW 7-series don't look very big at all. The solution has been to fit 19- and 20-inch wheel/tire packages to replicate more attractive proportions.
As a matter of fact, the strange greenhouse tall look of Teslas has to do with this also:

*Mid- and rear-engined cars don't get a pass on pedestrian protection. The forward positioning of their cowls causes another set of problems, including keeping the unfortunate pedestrian's head clear of the wiper motor and the tough-to-crush base of the windshield. On a few such cars with short hoods and steeply raked A-pillars, carmakers use the windshield to catch the pedestrian and minimize injuries through the use of a thicker, flexible laminate layer between two sheets of glass.

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