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Old May 15, 2020 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mbarron37
Sounds like me, I work from home too. Same gas in the tank for past 6 weeks and have just under half tank left. Only heading to grocery store and liquor store.
Six weeks probably won't hurt it, but, especially with the tank-level dropping, you don't want to keep the same gas in the same tank for too long. Moisture in the air can condense into it overnight, particularly in humid climates, and contaminate the gas.
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Old May 15, 2020 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
IMO, owning a car outright takes out the need to worry about such a thing. Owners can do what they want without the payment/usage fiasco. Low mileage.....low usage..no big deal....
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Yes we have 2 cars and both of us are working from home indefinitely. Contemplating selling one of them.

selling at this market will take a bit hit. So the question is whether to take a hit now or just keep paying registration and insurance etc.
To be clear, I wouldn't consider getting rid of either of my cars over this assuming its not a longterm situation.

The question really is if its a long term change and you won't be driving as much for a long period, does it change your outlook on the type of car that you drive?

Even if I owned the car outright, having something that I paid $90,000 for that's value is dropping like a rock just sitting there in my garage not getting used would give me the same thought process, if not even moreso.

The other side of this is, I got a PPP loan (several actually). 75% of it is forgiven because its my payroll to myself, the additional 25% is forgiven because of the rent payments I make on my car. So, that pays for 1/3rd of the lease payments this year on top of the regular tax savings that pays about half. So the lease payments on my car are only costing me about $1,900 this year. $158 a month to drive a $90k Lexus aint bad lol. Doing that math makes me feel better about it sitting there in the garage.
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Old May 15, 2020 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilson2000
"What does less driving mean for society?" Hopefully it means less pollution, less impact on climate change. Living in the San Francisco, South Bay Area, we've seen a tremendous improvement in our air quality. The views have been phenomenal. Since I do landscape photography as a hobby, this is a welcome perk!
Unfortunately it is temporary.
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Six weeks probably won't hurt it, but, especially with the tank-level dropping, you don't want to keep the same gas in the same tank for too long. Moisture in the air can condense into it overnight, particularly in humid climates, and contaminate the gas.
I own many cars some sit for months over the winter so far no issues. Dump in some fuel stabilizer and all good.
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Old May 15, 2020 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
IMO, owning a car outright takes out the need to worry about such a thing. Owners can do what they want without the payment/usage fiasco. Low mileage.....low usage..no big deal....
nice virtue-signaling but sure, if you own cars outright and have no intention of selling, then it really doesn't matter what they're worth. but most people don't want to keep old cars missing modern safety and convenience features for decades.

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Old May 15, 2020 | 10:03 PM
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well for one it means better driving conditions for those who enjoy driving their cars! i've seen loads of really nice ones out and about as of lately, such as this lovely Viper SRT-10 out for a nice cruise the other day



i was so proud of my humble old family sedan... we pull up alongside at the next light with open road ahead, he starts revving that big V10 before we both gun it on green, it was basically neck and neck until we let off at just under 100... when we slow down again he's like i like that thing what is it? then he completely makes my day when he goes "you've done work to that right!?" oh man major grin on my face from getting to tell him i hadn't, and from his surprise that he never pulled away


no such race happened here but i even saw the legendary Carrera GT (with appropriate montana registration) out enjoying the nice weather last week



such a beautiful and amazing machine with one of the most glorious sounding engines

premium is only $2.50 a gallon right now so i guess that's also what less driving means... and i definitely don't miss rush hour traffic
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Old May 16, 2020 | 12:03 AM
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I'm considering trading my PHEV 530e in for a V8 M550. The used values don't really differ drastically if I simply trade for another 2018 model at this point. But I have zero use for the carpool lane sticker for the foreseeable future, and this will probably be my last opportunity to buy a newish V8 car as probably the next time I get a new car, they most likely won't even exist anymore sadly.
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Old May 16, 2020 | 06:42 AM
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I have also seen a ton of nice cars out. Classics, supercars, you name it.
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Old May 16, 2020 | 10:59 AM
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Had a wonderful day yesterday. Our Oregon governor reluctantly decided it was okay for barbers in a nearby county to start cutting hair again, so I drove the 48 minutes over to McMinnville to Dave's Barber shop. Signed in, then had to wait for 30 minutes for one of the two chairs to open up. Both barbers were old guys and biker types with tattoos on their tattoos. One had an Indian and the other a Harley, so lots of fun hearing the trash-talking between them (I'd ridden a fast Honda back when I was younger, but to these guys I'd be dirt, so I let it go). Great feeling, losing 3 months of hair. It was driving me nuts with the neck-tickling.

But the highlight of the whole trip was the drive home. First off, out in the country, in an unfamiliar town, a town that was unbelievably upbeat due to their return that morning to relative normalcy. I ignored Google Maps and took a twisty two-lane road next to the Willamette River all the way back to Wilsonville, about 30 minutes of joy. Oh, and did I mention that the sun was shining and it was about 70? All windows down, sunroof wide open, big black dog in the back seat with her head out the window, open mouth, eyes nearly closed. Must be great to be a dog sometimes.

Is there a "new normal" coming? Heck no. Pretty soon folks will again be driving for the fun of it, having leisurely lunches without facemasks, and shaking hands and hugging old friends. I am not in the market for another car, but my suggestion to all is that if you have been lusting after a particular model and one comes on the market at fire-sale prices, go for it. You will enjoy it for years to come.

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Old May 16, 2020 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by riredale
Had a wonderful day yesterday. Our goofy Oregon governor reluctantly decided it was okay for barbers in a nearby county to start cutting hair again, so I drove the 48 minutes over to McMinnville to Dave's Barber shop. Signed in, then had to wait for 30 minutes for one of the two chairs to open up. Both barbers were old guys and biker types with tattoos on their tattoos. One had an Indian and the other a Harley, so lots of fun hearing the trash-talking between them (I'd ridden a fast Honda back when I was younger, but to these guys I'd be dirt, so I let it go). Great feeling, losing 3 months of hair. It was driving me nuts with the neck-tickling.
You can probably do it at home with a good electric razor/trimmer.

I have a Norelco/Phillips electric razor (always liked that brand and its circular heads), and a pop-up trimmer. I have found, since our local barber shops have been shut down, that the trimmer (and a couple of mirrors for back-view) comes in handy for DIY at home. If you want to shave your head bald (as many guys do) you can also do that with the regular circular razor-heads. The key to an effective electric razor (and trimmer) is to have your face/hair as dry as possible when using it (no moisture) and to keep the heads and razor clean....which takes a little maintenance. And no barber-bills.
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Old May 16, 2020 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by riredale
Had a wonderful day yesterday. Our goofy Oregon governor reluctantly decided it was okay for barbers in a nearby county to start cutting hair again, so I drove the 48 minutes over to McMinnville to Dave's Barber shop. Signed in, then had to wait for 30 minutes for one of the two chairs to open up. Both barbers were old guys and biker types with tattoos on their tattoos. One had an Indian and the other a Harley, so lots of fun hearing the trash-talking between them (I'd ridden a fast Honda back when I was younger, but to these guys I'd be dirt, so I let it go). Great feeling, losing 3 months of hair. It was driving me nuts with the neck-tickling.

But the highlight of the whole trip was the drive home. First off, out in the country, in an unfamiliar town, a town that was unbelievably upbeat due to their return that morning to relative normalcy. I ignored Google Maps and took a twisty two-lane road next to the Willamette River all the way back to Wilsonville, about 30 minutes of joy. Oh, and did I mention that the sun was shining and it was about 70? All windows down, sunroof wide open, big black dog in the back seat with her head out the window, open mouth, eyes nearly closed. Must be great to be a dog sometimes.

Is there a "new normal" coming? Heck no. Pretty soon folks will again be driving for the fun of it, having leisurely lunches without facemasks, and shaking hands and hugging old friends. I am not in the market for another car, but my suggestion to all is that if you have been lusting after a particular model and one comes on the market at fire-sale prices, go for it. You will enjoy it for years to come.
thanks for sharing, sounds like a great day!
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Old May 16, 2020 | 03:04 PM
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In Japan, they are doing a lot more "ride sharing", hence the government is no longer able to collect motor vehicle taxes the traditional way, so they are considering revamping the whole system to maintain motor vehicle tax revenue.
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It’s been really nice driving without as much traffic. I’m planning on getting rid of my BMW but I can’t imagine I’d get much for it. I’d like to scoop up a MKIV Supra but I don’t want to waste money on one unless the prices drop a lot.

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Old May 16, 2020 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by riredale
Had a wonderful day yesterday. Our Oregon governor reluctantly decided it was okay for barbers in a nearby county to start cutting hair again, so I drove the 48 minutes over to McMinnville to Dave's Barber shop. Signed in, then had to wait for 30 minutes for one of the two chairs to open up. Both barbers were old guys and biker types with tattoos on their tattoos. One had an Indian and the other a Harley, so lots of fun hearing the trash-talking between them (I'd ridden a fast Honda back when I was younger, but to these guys I'd be dirt, so I let it go). Great feeling, losing 3 months of hair. It was driving me nuts with the neck-tickling.

But the highlight of the whole trip was the drive home. First off, out in the country, in an unfamiliar town, a town that was unbelievably upbeat due to their return that morning to relative normalcy. I ignored Google Maps and took a twisty two-lane road next to the Willamette River all the way back to Wilsonville, about 30 minutes of joy. Oh, and did I mention that the sun was shining and it was about 70? All windows down, sunroof wide open, big black dog in the back seat with her head out the window, open mouth, eyes nearly closed. Must be great to be a dog sometimes.

Is there a "new normal" coming? Heck no. Pretty soon folks will again be driving for the fun of it, having leisurely lunches without facemasks, and shaking hands and hugging old friends. I am not in the market for another car, but my suggestion to all is that if you have been lusting after a particular model and one comes on the market at fire-sale prices, go for it. You will enjoy it for years to come.
Sounds like a great day! we had a good day too, took the kids to great falls and did some hiking. Good to get outside.

A haircut sounds so amazing. I’m very picky and my barber is in Northern VA and still closed. I may need to throw caution to the wind and head somewhere that’s open and get a haircut. Gonna find a barber somewhere next week for my son, his hair is down over his eyes!
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Today is my daughters birthday, so my wife and I took a ride to Reston VA this morning to surprise her, and just came back to NYC. The whole way we drove 80mph with absolute no traffic, gotta admit it was real nice.
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Originally Posted by Och
Today is my daughters birthday, so my wife and I took a ride to Reston VA this morning to surprise her, and just came back to NYC. The whole way we drove 80mph with absolute no traffic, gotta admit it was real nice.
Too bad I didn't know you were coming. I only live a couple of miles from Reston....and my brother works there.
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