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Old 05-06-20, 04:58 AM
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Exclusive: Nissan to retrench further in new plan to focus on U.S., Japan, China

Coronavirus or not, Nissan had it coming. But it really feels like we're starting to see the beginning of the end.

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Looks like Reuters was blocking all links to their site. Old fashioned way then:

(Reuters) - Nissan Motor Co Ltd (7201.T) will pull back from Europe and elsewhere to focus on the United States, China and Japan under a plan that represents a new strategic direction for the embattled carmaker, people with direct knowledge of the plan told Reuters.The “operational performance plan” is due to be announced on May 28 and goes beyond fixing problems from ousted leader Carlos Ghosn’s aggressive expansion drive, the people said.

Pursuit of market share, particularly in the United States, led to steep discounting and a cheapened brand. Under the new, three-year plan - reported here for the first time - Nissan aims to restore dealer ties and refresh lineups to regain pricing power and profitability, the people told Reuters.

“This is not just a cost-cutting plan. We’re rationalising operations, reprioritising and refocusing our business to plant seeds for the future,” one of the people said.

The plan also aims to cut competition and expand cooperation with alliance partners, the people said. Nissan will follow Mitsubishi Motors Corp (7211.T) in plug-in electric hybrid vehicle technology, with the smaller peer taking the lead in Asian markets outside China and Japan. France’s Renault SA (RENA.PA) will likely focus on electrical vehicle technologies and Europe.

Nissan and Mitsubishi declined to comment. Renault did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The plan, led mainly by Chief Operating Officer Ashwani Gupta rather than Nissan’s low-key chief executive, Makoto Uchida, is aimed at freeing resources to invest in products and technology for the United States, China and Japan, the people said.

“The net effect is even though we reduce our R&D spend this year versus last year and make other savings, we pump those freed-up resources back into core markets and core products,” said one of the people, who declined to be identified as they were not authorised to speak with media on the matter.

The plan is likely to take up to two weeks to be finalised, with sales and earnings targets complicated by the anticipated long-term impact on auto sales of government measures worldwide taken to stop the coronavirus outbreak, the people said.

In July, Nissan targeted an operating margin of 6% on revenue of 14.5 trillion yen ($135.83 billion) by March 2023, versus 3% and 13 trillion yen forecast at the time for the year ended March 2020 - the results of which are scheduled for release later this month. Management has since changed, with Uchida and Gupata appointed in December.

To be sure, focusing on its three core markets does not mean a total retreat from elsewhere for Japan’s second-largest automaker by volume after Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T).

Nissan will try to maintain a presence in Europe through stepped up efforts with its Qashqai and Juke crossover sport-utility vehicles (SUVs). In Asia, it plans to further expand sales in Thailand and the Philippines which, with Australia, generate roughly 90% of sales and profit in the region excluding China, Japan and India.

Still, its new plan calls for tighter, targeted lineups in countries such as India, Indonesia, Malaysia, South Africa, Russia, Brazil and Mexico - such as focusing on the beefy Patrol SUV in Africa and the Middle East. That means Nissan might need to shutter more than the 14 assembly lines announced in July. In March, it also announced plans to stop production in Indonesia.

Nissan previously put its annual global production capacity at over 7 million vehicles based on three daily shifts per plant. The new plan is based on two shifts which, with the 14 closures, puts capacity at about 5.5 million, the people said.

Under the plan, the Yokohama-based automaker aims to remain in the U.S. market where it is tasked with eliminating the perception of being a bargain-basement brand. Though its North America sales have grown, its operating margin has narrowed.

“For several years, everything was based on volume growth, then we shifted our emphasis to quality of sales, and we did it overnight,” said one of the people. “We did it too fast, and that choked our business.”

Nissan’s U.S. models have an average age of over 5 years. To lower that to 3.5 years, the automaker plans to launch new and significantly redesigned cars, including a next-generation Rogue crossover SUV, the people said. It will also reduce sales to rental and other fleet operators, they said.

Nissan has been slow to launch models in Japan too. Under the new plan, the automaker will introduce six new or redesigned models over the next three years to bring the average lineup age to under 2.5 years from an undisclosed figure, the people said. Domestically, the average age of lineups from competitive auto brands is generally two to three years.

In China, Nissan’s new plan involves designing vehicles more specifically for consumers in the world’s largest auto market, instead of offering cars designed for U.S. consumers. Its China-only Venucia brand will need to be re-positioned to better respond to competition from a multitude of indigenous brands, the people said.

Reporting by Norihiko Shirouzu in Beijing; Additional reporting by Naomi Tajitsu in Tokyo and Gilles Guillaume in Paris; Editing by Christopher Cushin
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Nissan had already announced the phasing out of the low cost Datsun brand and I don't think Infiniti will be around for too long anymore.
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  • Current gasoline price includes almost 35% state and federal taxes in some areas. I suspect California is high. So what will happen when the gasoline is gone? Electricity rates will skyrocket to replace that lost revenue. Where will the electricity come from when all these electric cars and trucks need charging, especially after work when people are at home running their A/C units, washing clothes, using all kinds of electrical devices, etc? In addition, where does the power come from to dispose of and rejuvenate millions of ev batteries per year? What will fuel all the additional power generators that will have to be built to charge the ev autos and homes when there is no wind for turbines and low power output from solar arrays for several days? If permits were applied for today for new power plants and battery recycle facilities (toxic chemicals disposal process) I doubt you would have permits approval from the California EPA for building those facilities within the 15 year time frame. How much electrical grid will have to be upgraded and/or replaced to provide the power to charge millions of autos and trucks, forklifts, cranes, bulldozers, etc each day? This sounds like politicians pandering to people just to be re-elected. What other promises were made to Californians 15 years ago? Were they fulfilled?
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Who is Nissans real competitor these days? I’m guessing Kia or Hyundai.
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Originally Posted by sdls
Who is Nissans real competitor these days? I’m guessing Kia or Hyundai.
Given the current state of Nissan, I think they WISH they could compete with the Korean twins.
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wrong thread sorry

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Originally Posted by sdls
Who is Nissans real competitor these days? I’m guessing Kia or Hyundai.
Name one thing Nissan currently does better than the Koreans.

Nissan as a whole should be a cautionary tale for the entire automotive industry.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
Name one thing Nissan currently does better than the Koreans.

Nissan as a whole should be a cautionary tale for the entire automotive industry.
GT-R?

To be fair to Nissan, Renault hasn't exactly been the best steward
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
GT-R?

To be fair to Nissan, Renault hasn't exactly been the best steward
Would you consider a car that's 12 years old with minimal changes to be "current"? Even their brand spanking new 400Z will be built on the ancient FM platform that dates back to the turn of the millennium.

We can blame their decline on Renault or Ghosn, but the company simply does not care about being competitive in any manner outside of aggressive dealership incentives.



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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
GT-R?

To be fair to Nissan, Renault hasn't exactly been the best steward
Nissan body on frame full size SUVs are so much better than the Korean ones....

300z is pretty unique
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Infiniti is dead in Europe as well.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
Would you consider a car that's 12 years old with minimal changes to be "current"? Even their brand spanking new 400Z will be built on the ancient FM platform that dates back to the turn of the millennium.

We can blame their decline on Renault or Ghosn, but the company simply does not care about being competitive in any manner outside of aggressive dealership incentives.
Personally no. My point was it's a space that Hyundai Motors does not currently occupy (in answer to your question). Of course the lines could be blurred by saying a 2021 GT-R is current because it's the latest model year.

Just for laughs, the Nissan frontier is 15 years old

Name one thing Nissan currently does better than the Koreans.
High performance sector
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Nissan body on frame full size SUVs are so much better than the Korean ones....

300z is pretty unique
Other than the Mojave (formally Borrego here), I'm not aware of any Hyundai Corp. BOF vehicles.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Personally no. My point was it's a space that Hyundai Motors does not currently occupy (in answer to your question).

High performance sector
Problem is, Nissan's contributions to that sector currently consist of only two vehicles, one of which is as old as the GX 460, and the other isn't out yet. You can count the Q50/Q60 Red Sport, but they're hardly better than the likes of the Stinger in performance.

Now if you were talking about Nissan's past glories of early 2000s Infiniti and the 350Z, I wouldn't disagree. But they were a much different company back then, and those days are long gone.
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