mmarshall, just for you....
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Thanks for your tolerance and insight on this matter. 
You have to remember that I've given GM, and Buick, two vehicle-purchases in a row (a not inconsequential sum of money, and they have turned right around and cancelled both of them right out from under my nose (and now, the Regal as well), without even sending me a survey or questionaire, as a repeat customer, whether I would purchase another Buick sedan in the future. In other words (and I know smooth double-talk when I hear it...I've been watching the auto industry for a more than a half-century), it was a bunch of that smooth market-talk on one level, while, underneath, where it really mattered, it was, basically..."We're going to do what we think will earn the most money per vehicle-unit, and **** our long-time, faithful sedan customers,"........ some of whom have been buying their products a lot longer than I have.
Now, put yourself in that place for a moment. What if Genesis decided, on a mere whim, that the G90 would go out of production, and you bought or leased something else (maybe a G80 or the upcoming GV80)...and, in a couple of years, Genesis decided to can those, too? You would probably be pretty irked, although I'll give you credit for being quite flexible......in the time-period I've known you, you've owned a wide range of vehicles, from a Miata to several different mid-size SUVs to what IMO is one of the nicest luxury sedans in that class. Also, if Genesis did that, we probably wouldn't see the kind of enormous reaction against them that we saw with GM and the massive UAW strike, since Genesis, as a much smaller company, would not be shutting down as many plants, or potentially tossing as many workers out of a job.
You have to remember that I've given GM, and Buick, two vehicle-purchases in a row (a not inconsequential sum of money, and they have turned right around and cancelled both of them right out from under my nose (and now, the Regal as well), without even sending me a survey or questionaire, as a repeat customer, whether I would purchase another Buick sedan in the future. In other words (and I know smooth double-talk when I hear it...I've been watching the auto industry for a more than a half-century), it was a bunch of that smooth market-talk on one level, while, underneath, where it really mattered, it was, basically..."We're going to do what we think will earn the most money per vehicle-unit, and **** our long-time, faithful sedan customers,"........ some of whom have been buying their products a lot longer than I have.Now, put yourself in that place for a moment. What if Genesis decided, on a mere whim, that the G90 would go out of production, and you bought or leased something else (maybe a G80 or the upcoming GV80)...and, in a couple of years, Genesis decided to can those, too? You would probably be pretty irked, although I'll give you credit for being quite flexible......in the time-period I've known you, you've owned a wide range of vehicles, from a Miata to several different mid-size SUVs to what IMO is one of the nicest luxury sedans in that class. Also, if Genesis did that, we probably wouldn't see the kind of enormous reaction against them that we saw with GM and the massive UAW strike, since Genesis, as a much smaller company, would not be shutting down as many plants, or potentially tossing as many workers out of a job.
I doubt a survey would make much difference. GM can tell that people are moving on from their sedans. Their own declining sales figures would indicate that.
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We just must come to grips with the fact fact that no company designs products for just one person. They know there are some customers who would buy a Lacrosse if they still made it. They don't care. "We are going to do what makes us the most profit" OF COURSE. Thats the whole point of being in business. Business exists to make profit.
Seeing that I don't think I have known bit to own the same car twice, I don't think he would care if they cancelled his car. He would just buy a different car.
Would I be bummed if they cancelled the Lexus LS? Absolutely. Would I be angry? No, I'd just buy something else.
Seeing that I don't think I have known bit to own the same car twice, I don't think he would care if they cancelled his car. He would just buy a different car.
Would I be bummed if they cancelled the Lexus LS? Absolutely. Would I be angry? No, I'd just buy something else.
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Its not just that. For the first time in my life, it appears GM has the foresight for once to prepare for the worst. GM has shed 2M unit sales worldwide on purpose to be ready for a downfall in the world economy as well as a EV revolution. I don’t particularly agree with plant closings or moving products to Mexico, but downsizing the operations is the correct thing to do.
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Its not just that. For the first time in my life, it appears GM has the foresight for once to prepare for the worst. GM has shed 2M unit sales worldwide on purpose to be ready for a downfall in the world economy as well as a EV revolution. I don’t particularly agree with plant closings or moving products to Mexico, but downsizing the operations is the correct thing to do.
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I would be plenty bummed too, but I think it's inevitable. Lexus would still survive and be fine.
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They're not going to morph the LS nameplate into another model. If they don't make another flagship sedan they will retire the nameplate.
Remember how poorly the LS was selling before they released the LS500, if they were going to cancel it they would have just done it then. Remember, the LS is the #3 selling car in the segment, nobody is talking about Audi cancelling the A8 or BMW cancelling the 7 Series.
Remember how poorly the LS was selling before they released the LS500, if they were going to cancel it they would have just done it then. Remember, the LS is the #3 selling car in the segment, nobody is talking about Audi cancelling the A8 or BMW cancelling the 7 Series.
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#3 US or worldwide? LS500 was designed for all world markets, not just US. Released in something like 75 markets (or maybe more).S class and A8 and 7 I sure do really really well in Germany. I think the S class is used for taxi services etc.
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Time will tell. There will be a whole generation of people who grow up and view crossovers as a flagship or the main model for a brand. Someone who is 25 or 30 today does not carry the same baggage (not baggage in a negative way) as those who grew up idolizing the LS400 or 430 or 460 models. You can already see the shift, Lexus.com lists the LC, LX, and LS as flagships. 4-5 years from now will be very different. (Just my opinion and thoughts)
Now will the next LS be some sort of all electric car? I could see that happen if the segment goes that way. That’s what Jaguar is doing with the new XJ.
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Time will tell. There will be a whole generation of people who grow up and view crossovers as a flagship or the main model for a brand. Someone who is 25 or 30 today does not carry the same baggage (not baggage in a negative way) as those who grew up idolizing the LS400 or 430 or 460 models. You can already see the shift, Lexus.com lists the LC, LX, and LS as flagships. 4-5 years from now will be very different. (Just my opinion and thoughts)
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I doubt a survey would make much difference. GM can tell that people are moving on from their sedans. Their own declining sales figures would indicate that.
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Now will the next LS be some sort of all electric car? I could see that happen if the segment goes that way. That’s what Jaguar is doing with the new XJ.