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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 11:49 AM
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An interesting read. It's longer than I want to post here, so here are the highlights and ranking. Full article here. I just wish they could've waited a bit longer to put the new Highlander in this comparison. Next time...

5th Place:
Buick Enclave

Highs: The any-way-you-fold-'em cargo champ and the passing-acceleration king.
Lows: The most money nets you the least stuff and a cheap-feeling interior.
Verdict: Remember the Buick Open? This is a time capsule from that era.

4th Place:
Ford Explorer

Highs: Longitudinal engine—just like a BMW!
Lows: Sparsely equipped and cheap inside—just like a last-generation Explorer.
Verdict: Ford lays the foundation for a brighter future but lets the Lincoln Aviator realize it.

3rd Place:
Mazda CX-9

Highs: Still the undisputed driver's choice, comfortable even if it is small.
Lows: You can beat it for the money.
Verdict: Sports-car dreams drown in the sound of crying babes—or in a flood of Korean value.

2nd Place:
Hyundai Palisade

Highs: Everything you ever wanted, plus a few USB ports you didn't know you needed.
Lows: Could use an exterior design consult.
Verdict: If it's a spacious space fish you seek, Hyundai is probably running a good deal right now.

1st Place:
Kia Telluride

Highs: All the strengths of the Hyundai, plus a rugged and not-weird shape.
Lows: The skinny tires are so hard not to stare at.
Verdict: Give the people what they want and they'll return the favor with laurels—and sales.
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 11:58 AM
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Based on my own recent samplings, I'd put the Explorer in last place. IMO it was a clear disappointment.

Here's the link, if anyone wants to take time and read it:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...suvs-compared/
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Based on my own recent samplings, I'd put the Explorer in last place. IMO it was a clear disappointment.

Here's the link, if anyone wants to take time and read it:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...suvs-compared/

Seems like Ford could have done much better on the new Explorer's interior.

Thanks for the link, but do note that I included a hyperlink to it in my original post.

Originally Posted by JDR76
Full article here.
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Interesting article. Generally I agree with everything the author says. Korean value is getting harder to beat these days. Personally I prefer the looks of the CX-9, and I don't mind sacrificing some cargo room and a bit of cabin space for driveability. The Palisade/Telluride are tempting, but as it stands, I don't think I'd trade my CX-9 in for either one.
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Interesting. They prefer the Kia styling over the Hyunday, but I'm the exact opposite, so I'd put Palisade #1 and Telluride #2. I've seen a few new Explorers on the road - really like the front (headlights, grille redesign), but looks way too similar as the outgoing model from all other angles. And I just think they've over-priced it for what it is.
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Originally Posted by JDR76
An interesting read. It's longer than I want to post here, so here are the highlights and ranking. Full article here. I just wish they could've waited a bit longer to put the new Highlander in this comparison. Next time...[h2]
Interesting to see how the Mazda has the slowest acceleration, and the longest braking, is the lightest curb weight and is then called the best drivers choice....least power too.

The Buick looks the best.

But look at their comments on the V6?

The 3.6-liter six-cylinder is always at the ready with power, but its coarseness is unbecoming a car that purports to be from a luxury brand.

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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Based on my own recent samplings, I'd put the Explorer in last place. IMO it was a clear disappointment.
to me enclave was a clear disappointment and i really wanted to like it.

to quote them:

The most money nets you the least stuff and a cheap-feeling interior.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Interesting to see how the Mazda has the slowest acceleration, and the longest braking, is the lightest curb weight and is then called the best drivers choice....least power too.
If you drive one, you'll see why. It isn't just about what's on the spec sheet, it's the way it feels when you take a turn, or merge onto a highway, or the way it feels when you swerve to dodge a pothole. You could call it the Miata of the three-row SUVs - it's underpowered, but it drives so well.

EDIT: Pardon me, my bias is showing.. :P
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Originally Posted by JDR76
Seems like Ford could have done much better on the new Explorer's interior.
The actual materials inside aren't that different from the previous-generation 2019, but they made what IMO were some design-goofs.

Thanks for the link, but do note that I included a hyperlink to it in my original post.
Didn't see the link.....I looked closely.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Interesting to see how the Mazda has the slowest acceleration, and the longest braking, is the lightest curb weight and is then called the best drivers choice....least power too.
But that is where chassis/steering engineering and driving feel come in........something Mazda has always excelled in.

The Buick looks the best.

But look at their comments on the V6?
The 3.6-liter six-cylinder is always at the ready with power, but its coarseness is unbecoming a car that purports to be from a luxury bran
As an owner, I've been driving that engine daily now for 26 months. IMO, it is anything BUT coarse. It also, with the 9-speed, variable fuel management, and engine start-stop feature, turns in roughly the economy of a non-turbo 4.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The actual materials inside aren't that different from the previous-generation 2019, but they made what IMO were some design-goofs.
I had several of the previous gen Explorers as rentals. Was never impressed with their interior quality. I was hoping for an improvement with this gen.

Didn't see the link.....I looked closely.
You didn't look close enough. Perhaps my link was too discrete. See my third sentence, this time in bold.

Originally Posted by JDR76
An interesting read. It's longer than I want to post here, so here are the highlights and ranking. Full article here. I just wish they could've waited a bit longer to put the new Highlander in this comparison. Next time...
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
to me enclave was a clear disappointment and i really wanted to like it.
to quote them:

The most money nets you the least stuff and a cheap-feeling interior.

I don't entirely disagree with them. Like the first-generation Enclave, it looks better inside than it feels. And the Lacrosse does have plusher, softer seats.....I don't know why the Enclave uses firmer-feeling cushions.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
But that is where chassis/steering engineering and driving feel come in........something Mazda has always excelled in.
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....so chiche.

Originally Posted by mmarshall
As an owner, I've been driving that engine daily now for 26 months. IMO, it is anything BUT coarse. It also, with the 9-speed, variable fuel management, and engine start-stop feature, turns in roughly the economy of a non-turbo 4.
It is dumb comments like what C & D said in this comparo that irritate me...Buick is not even the same brand to compare. Should be the Chevrolet.

Originally Posted by sm1ke
If you drive one, you'll see why. It isn't just about what's on the spec sheet, it's the way it feels when you take a turn, or merge onto a highway, or the way it feels when you swerve to dodge a pothole. You could call it the Miata of the three-row SUVs - it's underpowered, but it drives so well.

EDIT: Pardon me, my bias is showing.. :P
No doubt. Just giving the alternative perspective on something. This is where I have said in the past, some vehicle are not really for the same demographic.
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Originally Posted by JDR76
I had several of the previous gen Explorers as rentals. Was never impressed with their interior quality. I was hoping for an improvement with this gen.
The Aviator, of course, done on the same platform, solves the interior-materials problem, but at quite a price. That's one reason I like the Corsair....Aviator interior at a lower price, assuming one does not need the third-row seating.



You didn't look close enough. Perhaps my link was too discrete. See my third sentence, this time in bold.
OK...Gotcha. It was in dark blue with all that black around it....just got past me.
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I've been meaning to mention this---the Tellurides look great...in loaded trim. Not so much otherwise.

The cheaper ones look exactly that...cheap. I'm seeing more and more non-loaded ones out on the road and they do nothing for me, looks wise.
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