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Oct 20, 2019 | 05:54 PM

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The one good thing about the uaw’s bloated pay and pensions is that when they retire, many of them get out of the frozen hell hole of detroit and move to florida, bringing lots of money.

i meet almost endless numbers of people who have moved from michigan.

This doesn't have much bearing on the strike, but few people who live in Michigan can stand the roads. The cold climate, heavy truck traffic, and freeze/thaw cycles from endless snow/salt on the roads tears them up and makes potholes like the surface of the moon. Florida's climate, in general, keeps the roads smooth as glass, although I guess there is some occasional damage from storms, heavy rain, and sinkholes in the Karst (Limestone) terrain.

Several automotive magazines are HQ'ed in Michigan, especially in Ann Arbor......why, I have no idea, because they are always complaining about Michigan's awful roads, and sometimes driving their vehicle out of state to test them. The only reason I can think of is being close to the Detroit Auto Show every year and company CEOs/Execs.

Oct 20, 2019 | 07:17 PM

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Several automotive magazines are HQ'ed in Michigan, especially in Ann Arbor......why, I have no idea, ...

Seems pretty obvious those magazine companies wanted to be close to the ‘big 3’ auto makers and suppliers to get lots of info to write about. Now not only is that largely pointless, but so are magazines as all the action is on podcasts, videos, blogs, and forums.

Oct 20, 2019 | 07:17 PM

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Back to the uaw strike, when is the ratification vote?

Oct 20, 2019 | 07:23 PM

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Seems pretty obvious those magazine companies wanted to be close to the ‘big 3’ auto makers and suppliers to get lots of info to write about.

Well, although I said I have no idea, that was my (partial) assumption, too.....being close to Detroit. Except that they constantly complain about the Michigan roads.......can't have it both ways.

Anyhow, you can appreciate those glass-smooth roads in the Deep South. It is simply one of the benefits of living there.

Here in the D.C. area, it is a combination of some very good roads and some awful ones.

Back to the strike, Hamtramck might not be permanently closed after all. GM might convert it to Electric Hummer production.

Oct 21, 2019 | 06:00 AM

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Are you taking taxes into account? Most of the Rust belt states have traditionally high taxes, though not as high as, say, California, New York, or Massachusetts. That is one thing that separates them from the southern states, and one reason why newer plants have tended to be further south. Running a business involves a lot more than just labor costs.

I did not factor taxes into my joke about purchasing a home in Detroit. And since we're picking nits, I was exaggerating. I only have a couple hundred bucks in my wallet, not the $1200-1500 it would actually take to buy a house. But you (hopefully) get my point.

That said, a quick Googling suggests that Michigan's property taxes are about double SC's, while SC's sales taxes are about double Michigan's. So I'll call that a wash. Certainly not something that would necessitate a 25% increase in labor costs. As for your last sentence, what it costs to operate a plant is completely irrelevant when discussing the employees' cost of living.

Oct 21, 2019 | 11:35 AM

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Thx. Never heard of anyone taking them early. I believe normal age is 62 with no restrictions. If you wait to 67 you get about 25% more (but lost 5 years of payments).

It depends on when you were born. My mother is 72 and she was able to take them with no restrictions at 66. She could have taken them at 62 but she would have had to largely give all of it back because she was still working.

If you were born before 1955 you get them at 66 years and 2 months, if you were born between 1955 and 1960 it slides up to 67 and everybody after 1960 is 67 (for now).

Taking them early would depend on your need for the income.

Oct 22, 2019 | 08:28 AM

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Voting update:

Saginaw was the first plant to vote. Production workers were 75% in favor, skilled trades 73%: https://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw-b...otes-next.html

Warren Technical Center was 81% for production and 85% for skilled trades, 84% overall.

If the remainder of the votes are this overwhelming, it seems GM offered too many concessions.

Oct 22, 2019 | 06:12 PM

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In this video, Jim Lentz, Chief of Toyota North America, gives his view on the strike and the state of the industry.

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Oct 22, 2019 | 06:23 PM

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Quite surprised the Toyota US leader is talking about this. My guess is the GM strike is sagging everyone as per confidence

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Oct 22, 2019 | 08:48 PM

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He’s smart and knows gm back to work is good for all brands.

Oct 22, 2019 | 08:50 PM

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He’s smart and knows gm back to work is good for all brands.

yeah. Quite true.

Oct 22, 2019 | 09:34 PM

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He’s smart and knows gm back to work is good for all brands.

Not only that, but Toyota, even with non-UAW membership, tends to treat its employees better than GM or Ford........job security, for one thing, is an important issue with the company.

Oct 23, 2019 | 10:21 AM

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English is not my native language, so forgive me for any mistakes or typos, but surely you guys can't be so blind to not realise what's happening here again, right? It's the same story happening again! The UAW extorted GM for too long, GM nearly went belly up and asked for a bailout in 2009, which they got it and kept the UAW happy. But like the mafia, the UAW kept extorting GM and now that the money is about to end, GM will soon ask for another bailout. Prepare to bail GM out again, Americans!

Blame it on their spineless management who kept being the UAW's favourite suka.