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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by JDR76
When you say the "taillights" are dim, are you referring to the brake lights? I think they're just the outer part?


Yes, just the brakelight portion. The first image shows it. And there could be variations with different trim levels. I haven't broken that down if there are any.
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
Yes, just the brakelight portion. The first image shows it. And there could be variations with different trim levels. I haven't broken that down if there are any.
Okay, thanks. I'll look tonight.
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by arentz07
Sorry, I guess I made that up. Basically, I mean covering under-body components with bodywork.
What Toyota's do this? I think there is a styling trend for some pick ups for SUVs. You can see part of the muffler on purpose next to the frame rails and you see the exhaust in the rear. I know Toyota has gone to direct injection on their newer Toyota cars, so hiding the exhaust tip and having it point down is done to prevent the black soot build-up you sometimes see .
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
What Toyota's do this? I think there is a styling trend for some pick ups for SUVs. You can see part of the muffler on purpose next to the frame rails and you see the exhaust in the rear. I know Toyota has gone to direct injection on their newer Toyota cars, so hiding the exhaust tip and having it point down is done to prevent the black soot build-up you sometimes see .
Off-topic, but yeah I just cleaned over two years' worth of that black soot off my exhaust tips. Had to ask a friend for his professional-grade wheel cleaner due to how much it was baked-on. Worked pretty well.

Didn't realize that was the (or even "a") reason for pointing the tips down. Makes sense though.
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 02:57 PM
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Brake and signal lights are kinda weak I expect this on a 25 year old car with bulbs that have been in there for 15 years not a new model. And aren't the front signals incandescent?
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by arentz07
Off-topic, but yeah I just cleaned over two years' worth of that black soot off my exhaust tips.
Black soot or smoke from the exhaust usually, but not always, means a rich fuel mixture.....more gas, less air. In the old days, you could adjust carburetors and mixtures manually, but it led to many problems. Today, of course, mixture is part of the engine-management functions in the computer and fuel-injection system.

While excessively rich mixtures can impact both performance and fuel-mileage, in general, a richer mixture is good for cold-engine drivability, and, at warmer temperatures, helps prevent overheating and spark-knock. Lean mixtures, at cold fuel-system temperatures, can lead to stumbling/hesitaiton and stalling.

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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Black soot or smoke from the exhaust usually, but not always, means a rich fuel mixture.....more gas, less air. In the old days, you could adjust carburetors and mixtures manually, but it led to many problems. Today, of course, mixture is part of the engine-management functions in the computer and fuel-injection system.

While excessively rich mixtures can impact both performance and fuel-mileage, in general, a richer mixture is good for cold-engine drivability. Lean mixtures, at cold fuel-system temperatures, can lead to stumbling and stalling.
Yeah could be mainly due to the colder months. I trust the ECU to do its thing haha.

Incidentally, I looked around the parking lot on my way to the car today, and saw a lot of late-model cars with that black buildup. The worst offender I saw was a Giulia. I think people just don't pay attention to the exhaust tips when cleaning - I sure didn't...
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
So here's a question... What if these black bumper surfaces were actually painted black from the factory, and not raw plastic? I believe someone mentioned it's black paint a few years ago. Or maybe it's raw plastic, but with a clearcoat on it? If so, what is the cost-savings of painting a portion black (or clearcoating it) vs. painting it body-color?
I doubt (although I cannot confirm) that black, original equipment plastic parts are unpainted; they are probably painted, if only to provide some sort of UV protection.

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Now that the new Corolla and Rav4 have been on the road for a bit, I've noticed a few disappointing things. In the name of cost-cutting, or perhaps under-development, here goes...
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a) The center, underneath-part of the rear bumper flutters and shakes when on the highway. If you are behind one, check it out. I've seen past Camry's and Accords have the side bumpers flutter where they connect to the fender, but never the center.
This is more of a personal annoyance than anything. Since the plastic bumper covers are simply that -- covers (curtains) -- to hide the real, but unattractive metal and foam bumper bits, they do not have to be too thick.

In fact, having them thinner would be beneficial -- less plastic material makes it more environmentally conscious and also cheaper to produce, which should translate to cheaper parts when they need to be replaced, possibly minimizing insurance costs.


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Corolla:

a) The rear bumper surface on most trim levels is more than 50% black. Very cheap! We are back to the days of 1990 when most base cars came with black bumpers and no wheel covers. But it's not a base model thing here. The top trims get the tacky treatment.
Multi-colour bumpers that include black facing may seem to be cheap but they are more expensive to produce than single-colour bumper covers.

If the bumper cover is all one piece (I do not know if the rear bumper cover on the Corolla Hatchbacks and Sedans are one- or multi-piece covers), painting one portion black would require manually taping and covering (at extra cost) the non-black portions and then repainting the black portion (just as Toyota tapes and covers, and then repaints the Camry's black roof).

If the bumper cover is made up of multiple, different-coloured pieces, making the bumper would require multiple fabrications that then have to be joined together, all at higher cost than producing one single bumper cover.

I see that the Corolla's different trim levels have different inserts in the centre of the rear bumper cover. This leads me to think that the bumper cover is more than one piece -- one body-coloured piece for the main bumper cover, and a separate centre piece for the trim (one of which simulates a rear diffuser).


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b) The visible parts of the exhaust system are completely unpainted. The bare metal "bladder" is easily visible, and clashes with (or washes out) the fancy chrome tips on the SE and XSE model. These bits used to come painted black, or at least the bumper's design hid the unpainted parts. A cheap touch.

It's likely 99% of the market will not notice these things. And at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. But hey... if you are in a sale's lead, you should be under the spotlight.
I personally believe that this is a personal, OCD thing. Having bits of the exhaust system or suspension showing beneath the rear bumper does not hurt anything.
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by arentz07
Yeah could be mainly due to the colder months. I trust the ECU to do its thing haha.

Incidentally, I looked around the parking lot on my way to the car today, and saw a lot of late-model cars with that black buildup. The worst offender I saw was a Giulia. I think people just don't pay attention to the exhaust tips when cleaning - I sure didn't...

This probably goes without saying, but clean the tips regularly, when the car is washed, and the stain-problems won't build up.
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Old Aug 30, 2019 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sulu
I doubt (although I cannot confirm) that black, original equipment plastic parts are unpainted; they are probably painted, if only to provide some sort of UV protection.





This is more of a personal annoyance than anything. Since the plastic bumper covers are simply that -- covers (curtains) -- to hide the real, but unattractive metal and foam bumper bits, they do not have to be too thick.

In fact, having them thinner would be beneficial -- less plastic material makes it more environmentally conscious and also cheaper to produce, which should translate to cheaper parts when they need to be replaced, possibly minimizing insurance costs.
All interesting points.
Although I can't imagine anyone else liking or wanting their bumper fluttering while on the freeway. Besides it looking like it's improperly attached, it's also likely disrupting air flow underneath, adding unnecessary drag, and probably weakening the structure over time from the constant flexing.
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Old Aug 30, 2019 | 06:51 AM
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I checked out the brake lights on the RAV4 last night. I agree that their size is fairly small, but I find them to be really bright. I was behind an older RAV4 on my way home so I paid close attention to that one too. The brake lights were about the same size, just incandescent so I didn't find them to be very bright. The light pipes on the older models don't illuminate during braking, just like the new one.
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Old Aug 30, 2019 | 06:55 AM
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so lame toyota still uses so many incandescent bulbs.
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Old Aug 30, 2019 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
so lame toyota still uses so many incandescent bulbs.

They are often cheaper and easier to replace.
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Old Aug 30, 2019 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
They are often cheaper and easier to replace.
i think everyone knows that, but that doesn't mean it's not still lame, plus led's almost NEVER need replacing.
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Old Aug 30, 2019 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
They are often cheaper and easier to replace.
For a long term keeper, bulbs are better as you can DIY. My car has LEDs and I love them, but the manual says to take it Toyota to change a bulb. Hopefully, at this point there are aftermarket ways of doing the change, I would be royally pissed if it was expensive to replace.
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