My 4Runner broke a brake line
06-20-19, 10:30 AM
#76
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I use Simple-Green myself, which has been phosphate-free for years, but often times I don't need any detergent at all (just clean water and a sponge), because my car usually doesn't get that dirty.
Last edited by mmarshall; 06-20-19 at 10:35 AM.
06-20-19, 11:23 AM
#77
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That's nonsense.....you need to elect some new officials. Most car-wash solutions today use phosphate-free detergents that do not harm the environment.
I use Simple-Green myself, which has been phosphate-free for years, but often times I don't need any detergent at all (just clean water and a sponge), because my car usually doesn't get that dirty.
I use Simple-Green myself, which has been phosphate-free for years, but often times I don't need any detergent at all (just clean water and a sponge), because my car usually doesn't get that dirty.
Last edited by LeX2K; 06-20-19 at 11:26 AM.
06-20-19, 01:33 PM
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06-20-19, 02:21 PM
#79
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Thread Starter
Calgary has by-laws in place that prohibit washing your car with car wash soap/detergents because they drain into the catch basins. Calgary also has an excellent recycling program, and they also implemented a compost program. I think all of this offsets the environmental impact of the SNIC material draining into the catch basins. Not to mention the procedures in place for storing salt/pickle piles in structures and on sites that control and prevent those chemicals from draining into the main water system.
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06-20-19, 07:30 PM
#80
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A wastewater system takes our indoor waste from sinks, tubs, toilets, and industrial waste (including carwash facilities) to treat it before dumping it clean into our lakes and rivers.
A stormwater system collects our outdoor waste water runoff from streets, driveways and lawns into a separate system in under-street drains that may not be treated before it is directly dumped into rivers and lakes. That is why cities may not allow you to wash your car in the driveway, where soap and oil residue goes directly into the under-street drainage system and untreated into our waterways. Yet, winter residue of dirty snow and water (salt, sand, etc.) also goes untreated into the under-street drains.
06-21-19, 06:43 AM
#81
There are often 2 separate dirty water systems under our cities.
A wastewater system takes our indoor waste from sinks, tubs, toilets, and industrial waste (including carwash facilities) to treat it before dumping it clean into our lakes and rivers.
A stormwater system collects our outdoor waste water runoff from streets, driveways and lawns into a separate system in under-street drains that may not be treated before it is directly dumped into rivers and lakes. That is why cities may not allow you to wash your car in the driveway, where soap and oil residue goes directly into the under-street drainage system and untreated into our waterways. Yet, winter residue of dirty snow and water (salt, sand, etc.) also goes untreated into the under-street drains.
A wastewater system takes our indoor waste from sinks, tubs, toilets, and industrial waste (including carwash facilities) to treat it before dumping it clean into our lakes and rivers.
A stormwater system collects our outdoor waste water runoff from streets, driveways and lawns into a separate system in under-street drains that may not be treated before it is directly dumped into rivers and lakes. That is why cities may not allow you to wash your car in the driveway, where soap and oil residue goes directly into the under-street drainage system and untreated into our waterways. Yet, winter residue of dirty snow and water (salt, sand, etc.) also goes untreated into the under-street drains.
Basically, calcium chloride (what Calgary primarily uses) is more effective (melts faster, has a lower temp threshold, requires less product) and more environmentally friendly than rock salt. There's even a little snippet in that article regarding pavement damage.
06-21-19, 05:48 PM
#82
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There are often 2 separate dirty water systems under our cities.
A wastewater system takes our indoor waste from sinks, tubs, toilets, and industrial waste (including carwash facilities) to treat it before dumping it clean into our lakes and rivers.
A stormwater system collects our outdoor waste water runoff from streets, driveways and lawns into a separate system in under-street drains that may not be treated before it is directly dumped into rivers and lakes. That is why cities may not allow you to wash your car in the driveway, where soap and oil residue goes directly into the under-street drainage system and untreated into our waterways. Yet, winter residue of dirty snow and water (salt, sand, etc.) also goes untreated into the under-street drains.
A wastewater system takes our indoor waste from sinks, tubs, toilets, and industrial waste (including carwash facilities) to treat it before dumping it clean into our lakes and rivers.
A stormwater system collects our outdoor waste water runoff from streets, driveways and lawns into a separate system in under-street drains that may not be treated before it is directly dumped into rivers and lakes. That is why cities may not allow you to wash your car in the driveway, where soap and oil residue goes directly into the under-street drainage system and untreated into our waterways. Yet, winter residue of dirty snow and water (salt, sand, etc.) also goes untreated into the under-street drains.
and having the two separate systems makes a lot of sense, but not treating stormwater (and driveway runoff) before dumping into rivers and lakes seems like a horrendously bad idea.
07-28-19, 11:19 AM
#83
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Thread Starter
Got my 4Runner back a few weeks ago. The alternator is now done. Stalled at home (lucky me, not on the road) last Saturday, I finally got around to addressing the issue and it was towed out today. The vehicle had been on the road since 2004, never needed a tow. Never left me stranded. This time around it was two break-downs within 40 days.....and then, on top of that, we went out for ice cream the next day in my other car...go to start the car...dead battery....in the middle of the McDonalds parking lot..I just changed the battery on the spot. Anyways, just thought I would share my story.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 07-28-19 at 01:45 PM.
07-28-19, 01:35 PM
#85
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This time around it was two break-downs within 40 days.....and then, on top of that, we went out for ice cream the next day in my car...go to start the car...dead battery....in the middle of the McDonalds parking lot..I just changed the battery on the spot. Anyways, just thought I would share my story.
No vehicle lasts forever....even tough 4Runners. Sounds to me like it just may (?) be that time again............
I'm going to try and do some more test-drives next week...perhaps a new Telluride or Palisade, if enough of them are in stock (I didn't do test-drives of either one when I did the static-reviews and wrote them up). I know, from your many posts on the subject, that you are probably not interested in a new Hyundai or Kia, but, if I get a chance, do you want me to check out a new 4Runner? Here, in the U.S., Toyota shops are still selling the 2019 4Runner...the 2020 has not debuted yet, though I don't think it is going to be a major redesign.
07-28-19, 01:37 PM
#86
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Life with a 15 year old car unfortunately.
07-28-19, 02:19 PM
#87
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Got my 4Runner back a few weeks ago. The alternator is now done. Stalled at home (lucky me, not on the road) last Saturday, I finally got around to addressing the issue and it was towed out today. The vehicle had been on the road since 2004, never needed a tow. Never left me stranded. This time around it was two break-downs within 40 days.....and then, on top of that, we went out for ice cream the next day in my other car...go to start the car...dead battery....in the middle of the McDonalds parking lot..I just changed the battery on the spot. Anyways, just thought I would share my story.
about reliability in general, many on CL love to throw around that toyota/lexus vehicles run reliably to 200k+ with no issues but i think that's either just luck, or just seeing things through rose-colored glasses. not dissing toyota/lexus EXCELLENT reliability! but entropy always wins and sooner or later parts fail. we hope it's just cheaper parts and labor like batteries.
for me, not speaking for anyone else, i'm not interested in russian roulette with older cars, especially since now they have some VERY expensive electronic and other parts that will be hard to replace in later years. plus, i just get bored of having the same car for more than say 5 years no matter how nice or reliable it is.
anyway, thanks for sharing, and hopefully
07-28-19, 03:14 PM
#88
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Thread Starter
Thanks for the support.. Having a second older car for both of us are just hobbies
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 07-28-19 at 04:07 PM.
07-28-19, 05:20 PM
#89
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Our current batch of cars have not left us stranded until this 4Runner did it twice. ...
07-28-19, 05:24 PM
#90
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Yes, salt can be a PITA......it is one of the banes of vehicle-ownership. Some jurisdictions use other more expensive and less-corrosive materials to de-ice the roads in winter. But, for the places that don't (or can't afford to), dealing with salt is, unfortunately, a fact of life, and one simply has to cope, or, over time, risk vehicle damage.
Last edited by mmarshall; 07-28-19 at 05:37 PM.