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Old 12-07-18, 12:51 PM
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This whole thing has drifted WAY OFF the topic of the Avalon.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall View Post
I gave my basic impression of it in the write up, though it was admittedly, not a true review, to my standards. What else do you want to know, specifically?

You did great with the review, as per usual. It was other people's opinions I was hoping to read. But alas, it appears more have started to comment.

Now I'm sure you once mentioned already, but what was your reasoning for not considering the new ES? Don't forget the wood steering wheel factor. =)

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Old 12-07-18, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7 View Post
You did great with the review, as per usual.
Thanks...I ended up liking the base XLE version more than I thought I would, though I wouldn't chooses one over an equivalent Lacrosse.

It was other people's opinions I was hoping to read. But alas, it appears more have started to comment.
Yep, it's the Car Chat forum. Everybody tosses in their $.02. Silence here is definitely not golden.

Now I'm sure you once mentioned already, but what was your reasoning for not considering the new ES? Don't forget the wood steering wheel factor. =)
Yes, I like wood-rimmed wheels, but I can live without them....I'm doing that now.

I haven't really cared for the ES that much since the superb 4Gen model...IMO the 5th and 6th generations, while not bad cars by any means, just didn't have the same level of refinement, ride-smoothness, wood trim, interior beauty, or material-solidness. They handled a little better, but that was because of some factors (including weight-reduction) that also impacted on ride smoothness. A lot of people don't like the spindle grilles.....I'm not a fan of them myself, but can live wth them if necessary (although the one on the latest RX is really garish). I recently did a full-review on the new ES350 with the 45-series tires, and, not surprisingly, found it too stiff for my tastes and lacking in sound insulation. So, that version of the ES was clearly out for me. However, I found the ride on the new 2019 base-level Avalon (which shares the ES platform), and its 17", 55-series tires, perfectly acceptable to my tastes. The good news on the ES is that that 17" tire/wheel package also comes on the base model of the ES......so, that model might also be (nominally) on my shopping list. I don't like the dash, though, on either the new Avalon or the new ES.....both, IMO, are somewhat Dorky-looking, but in different ways.

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Old 12-07-18, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill View Post
Your constant hate and repetitive bash for the Avalon is bizzare,
pot meet kettle.

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This whole thing has drifted WAY OFF the topic of the Avalon.
yes i've removed most of the poitical off-topic stuff. thanks.
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Old 12-07-18, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna View Post
not many options left for non luxury bigger sedans. I find the new avalon to be hideous inside and out. you could get a 2 yr old k900 for the price of a new avalon or less, and that's a WAAAY better car,
If you think a two year old K900 is a nice car, go check out the latest one. The interior materials are practically jewel-like.

i don't care about brands.
Yes, your vehicle-buying history proves that...everything from a Miata to a Jeep to a G90.

i'd also prefer an es over an avalon by far, but it's more money.
The only advantages I can tell for the ES over the Avalon are a longer warranty, generally better dealer service, and a nice wooden steering wheel (option). Neither one gets very far, though, in the looks department.

I see the es outsold the avalon 2:1 last month.
Nothing new there. That has been the case for decades.
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Old 12-07-18, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmyofOne View Post
MMarshall, I would encourage you to cross shop the following:

Toyota Avalon XLE
Thanks, Josh, but did you notice the title of this thread? That's exactly what I test-drove.





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I don't agree. You buying the Buick was a foregone conclusion. You play neutral, but really you're a huge Buick enthusiast.
There are, in fact (not opinion), Buick products I'm not impressed with. The Regal GS is rather uncomfortable to drive, and the Encore is too small and has a Mickey-Mouse base engine.

I was really more of an enthusiast of the Buicks I grew up with, before the quality tanked, than the ones from the late 70s through the early 2000s. Only the Verano and Lacrosse have really attracted me lately.

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Old 12-07-18, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall View Post
The only advantages I can tell for the ES over the Avalon are a longer warranty, generally better dealer service, and a nice wooden steering wheel (option). Neither one gets very far, though, in the looks department.


Is is classier, better looking, rides better, quieter, nicer inside, more comfortable, better dealer service, better resale value, longer warranty
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Originally Posted by SW17LS View Post
Is is classier, better looking, rides better, quieter, nicer inside, more comfortable, better dealer service, better resale value, longer warranty
Have you sampled a new 2019 Avalon? I have ....with the softer 17" 55-series tires. I may sample an ES with that tire/wheel package (perhaps I should have done that last time..that might have been a mistake on my part)....but I was definitely not impressed with the 45s on the ES.


Now, though......the choice between the whale-grille and the spindle-grille LOL
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Originally Posted by mmarshall View Post
Have you sampled a new 2019 Avalon? I have ....with the softer 17" 55-series tires. I may sample an ES with that tire/wheel package (perhaps I should have done that last time..that might have been a mistake on my part)....but I was definitely not impressed with the 45s on the ES.
Yep, I have driven both. IMHO the ES rides very well even on the 45 series tires, better than the outgoing car. The Avalon also rides well, but the ES edges it out a little.

I have not read one review who did not laud the ES's ride as very good.
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The new 7ES I drove was on Dunlop Sport Maxx 050 45 Series 18", and it rode very well; though not quite as well as the Pirelli Cinturato P7's.
The 7ES's OEM Dunlops had more thump, and more tire noise than the Pirelli Cinturato P7's of the same size.
The Dunlop Sport Maxx 050 is actually a sports tire, while the Cinturato P7's are a touring sporting-luxury tire.

A lot of rear legroom, but a compromised trunk size as a result.
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Old 12-07-18, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by peteharvey View Post
The new 7ES I drove was on Dunlop Sport Maxx 050 45 Series 18", and it rode very well; though not quite as well as the Pirelli Cinturato P7's.
The 7ES's OEM Dunlops had more thump, and more tire noise than the Pirelli Cinturato P7's of the same size.
The Dunlop Sport Maxx 050 is actually a sports tire, while the Cinturato P7's are a touring sporting-luxury tire.

A lot of rear legroom, but a compromised trunk size as a result.
Agreed. Definitely the brand, and even model-line of tires within that brand, can make a difference. I once had a Toyota Celica, brand-new, with junk Goodyear Invicta all-seasons that howled like my high-school English teacher after just 12,000-14,000 miles...even with good wheel alignment and balance. A replacement set of Goodyear Regattas made all the difference in the world.
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