Doug DeMuro on why the Toyota Land Cruiser costs 85K

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11-12-18, 07:40 AM

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Land Cruiser historical sales numbers...

2017 3100
2016 3705
2015 2687
2014 3158
2013 3082
2012 2895
2011 1662
2010 1807
2009 2261
2008 3801
2007 3251
2006 3376
2005 4870
2004 6778
2003 6671
2002 6752
2001 7591
2000 15509
1999 18602
1998 14327
1997 11502
1996 12816
1995 14240
1994 10980
1993 8886
1992 7865
1991 8507
1990 6194
1989 5091
1988 6024
1987 5008
1986 4475
1985 4740
1984 4037
1983 4805
1982 3088
1981 2027
1980 3058
1979 5716
1978 8858
1977 9924
1976 9236
1975 9050
1974 8204
1973 11218

11-12-18, 07:51 AM

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I think you should include the historical sales of the LX models. It is the same vehicle for the most part. They kind of go hand in hand. Most parts fit each other interchangeably.

11-12-18, 08:07 AM

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Those sales figures are only for the US
They sell around 120k+ Toyota Land Cruiser 200s annually and around 50k LX 570s.

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11-12-18, 08:12 AM

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maybe because they don't sell hardly any??

haha, had the same thought.

as doug demuro says over and over and over... it's $85K now

it has its niche - it's a supremely reliable, old school, very off-road capable old looking suv that is basically an anachronism at this point. but it's pretty neat, for the few that buy 'em.

11-12-18, 12:46 PM

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The replacement frames for the Tundra are coming from Mexico.

i'm not saying the frames went bad because they're from mexico, those are just where that particular bad batch of frames came from

he mentioned toyotas rusting after only a few years, and me being the japanophile i am, was keen to defend japan's honor lol

11-12-18, 12:51 PM

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haha, had the same thought.

as doug demuro says over and over and over... it's $85K now

it has its niche - it's a supremely reliable, old school, very off-road capable old looking suv that is basically an anachronism at this point. but it's pretty neat, for the few that buy 'em.

when was the last land cruiser you drove though? i'll be the first to admit it's a pretty easy thing to write off based off the on paper specs, but actually driving it i think would make anyone warm up to, THE LAND CRUISER... my mom who "loves" her MDX was even like oooooohhh i like how you sit in this thing! it's not like a g wagon which really feels like a 40 year old truck.

11-12-18, 01:41 PM

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The price keeps going up because Toyota has not gone over the model with a cost cutting comb. If they did it would no longer be up to Land Cruiser standards which is to say everything is over built.

11-12-18, 01:43 PM

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it uses a lot of proprietary parts that other toyota models dont share, another reason why its expensive. Moms 04 LX470 still running strong and looks great

11-12-18, 01:58 PM

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The price keeps going up because Toyota has not gone over the model with a cost cutting comb. If they did it would no longer be up to Land Cruiser standards which is to say everything is over built.

Yes, I agree. I can think of a number of vehicles, today, that, even if it affects the price a little, could use a little more of that old-fashioned "overbuilt" quality you speak of.

11-12-18, 02:55 PM

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The Landcruiser and LX are fantastic vehicles. The 100 Series LX470 is one of my favorite vehicles of all time and I hope to get one someday, along with a supercharged 2016+ LX570. They’re definitely worth the money.

If I could afford it I would have an 80,100, and 200 Series Landcruiser/LX. I would need a huge garage though.

11-12-18, 06:36 PM

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maybe because they don't sell hardly any??2017=right3.1002016=right3.7052015=right2.6872014=right3.1582013=right3.0822012=right2.8952011=right1.6622010=right1.8072009=right2.2612008=right3.8012007=right3.2512006=right3.3762005=right4.8702004=right6.7782003=right6.6712002=right6.7522001=right7.5912000=right15.5091999=right18.6021998=right14.3271997=right11.5021996=right12.8161995=right14.2401994=right10.9801993=right8.8861992=right7.8651991=right8.5071990=right6.1941989=right5.0911988=right6.0241987=right5.0081986=right4.4751985=right4.7401984=right4.0371983=right4.8051982=right3.0881981=right2.0271980=right3.0581979=right5.7161978=right8.8581977=right9.9241976=right9.2361975=right9.0501974=right8.2041973=right11.218

Ok... go to Australia and tell me how many junker Land Cruisers you see. Those guys keep them for 100 years....

11-12-18, 06:40 PM

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The whole frame recall thing with the Tacomas is due to Dana just making real shty frames on those trucks. Has nothing to do with being made in Mexico.

When I mentioned the rust thing, I was not pointing at Tacomas... that was just a safety issue and a complete disaster.

Unfortunately even Land Cruisers and T4R being made in Japan still suffer from what many consider premature rust.

If you ever visit ih8mud (the most popular US Land Cruiser forum), there are several rust threads started every single day. And they are all about northern trucks. like they say, the only thing that kills a Land Cruiser is rust. They definitely do rust faster than your typical Lexus RX for example. Even the 200 series rusts like crazy. I've seen plenty of 5 year old 200s around Chicago and I would not touch them with a 10 ft pole there is so much rust underneath.

11-12-18, 06:44 PM

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https://www.clublexus.com/forums/lx-...aige-rust.html

Look at that truck. And I have seen trucks with double or triple the amount of rust underneath. All LX or LC around Chicago. That's not normal to me. That something you expect to see on a Dodge maybe, but not a 80-100k truck.

11-12-18, 07:38 PM

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The whole frame recall thing with the Tacomas is due to Dana just making real shty frames on those trucks. Has nothing to do with being made in Mexico.h.

The only Toyota models needing frame recall replacements are Tacoma, Tundra, and Sequoia. All American made and designed.

Google Sequoia and Tundra frame recall. It is scary bad.

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11-12-18, 07:53 PM

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he mentioned toyotas rusting after only a few years, and me being the japanophile i am, was keen to defend japan's honor lol

Oh I am with you. I love the Japan designed products. I see the difference. A friend at the Marina we go to has a T100, what a great truck. Quite overbuilt. Our LX450 and 4Runner are pretty cool and quite different from the North American cars we have.

The current Land Cruiser is super rare. The most exclusive Toyota or Lexus model on sale other than the new Lexus LC.

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