Sheddy

I totally agree, i am loving the interior with the diamond stitched seats as well. Very classy

bitkahuna

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they both get 19 city but the ls does a lot better on hwy (25 vs 30) probably because it has 10 gears vs 8.

and if this is the G70's "biggest issue" it will be fine.

Toys4RJill

I do not agree. If Genesis cannot lead the pack on a brand new introduction, they will not succeed once the established players work out their new platforms and engines. This Genesis needs to be superior in every way to the existing and future competition. I will say, if the new IS looks anything like the new LS, I think Lexus is going to be in for a lot of hurt.

JDR76

I would buy one.

An IS350 RWD is rated at 23 mpg combined, so only having to give up 2 mpg to get over 50 more horsepower and nearly 100 more lb-ft of torque seems reasonable. I would go so far as to say a G70, at 21 mpg and 365hp/376lb-ft is leading the pack over an IS at 23 mpg and 311hp/280lb-ft.

Toys4RJill

Do you think the next Gen IS won't clear 400hp with the LS motor? Of course it might lead the pack now, but for how long? Remember when the Tundra 5.7 was the highest horsepower and only truck with over 400lb feet of torque? That lasted like 6 months.

JDR76

I have no idea what engine the next IS will have or what its power rating will be, but I do not expect to see a new IS until 2020 or 2021.

Toys4RJill

An IS will come a lot sooner. 2019

JDR76

We're getting off track, but I strongly doubt it. That would only be a 5 year life cycle (2014-2018). The ES is coming for 2019 and we've been seeing spy photos for months. Nothing on the next IS yet. The 2nd gen IS went for 8 model years (2006-2013).

Do you have a source for claiming 2019 or is that your guess?

Toys4RJill

No source. Just my speculation. Perhaps not a whole platform change, but a serious upgrade. Toyota is not going to allow the current 3.5 to carry on in their Lexus IS model till 2021. I fully expect something to rival the Q50 sedans 400hp engine. That would make the Genesis G70 a difficult sell if you just look at specs alone. The G70 should be 400 horses minimum IMO.

bitkahuna

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the genesis 3.3T is under-tuned... if they want a 400hp one it's trivial. why didn't they do it to start? not needed to make a splash and i'm sure they want to be sure there's no gremlins found in the field...

bitkahuna

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that's pretty hilariously unrealistic.

wow, didn't know you didn't like the new LS.

Toys4RJill

Genesis come to market with an undertuned motor and one that does not exceed or class-lead in MPG efficiency or horsepower, or torque....yet people think it will be a giant success? Makes no sense. Needs to be the best in the segment for people to switch brands. The Genesis brand has a very tall mountain to climb, how do you not see that?

I don't dislike the LS design. I just think it won't it will be as successful long term. Same thing with the LC.

JDR76

My view on it is that it comes to market with a stronger engine (in both hp and torque) than most of its competition, with competitive gas mileage, solid pricing, great features, what appears to be a fantastic cabin, and solid handling (from reviews, anyway). If I were in the market for a sedan of this size, this would absolutely get me to switch brands. I'm even considering switching from my GS to the Stinger. Kia/Hyundai/Genesis is on to something here, at least in my opinion.

Toys4RJill

Infiniti, MB, BMW all have 6 cylinder options with sub 4.9 second performance. All three exceed the G70 in efficiency. All have good interiors and aside from Inifniti, both MB and BMW have legendary brand strength. Even Lexus struggles against BMW, Audi, and MB...So here comes Genesis in a established and crowded market that is shrinking, I just don't see the G70 being strong enough to be as successful as everyone thinks it might. Can it take away from the existing Lexus IS? It could. Will it? All depends on how strong the Lexus brand is.

Where you must give Genesis credit for are:
-a manual transmission offering
-a limited slip differential
-five trim levels to choose from
-Brembo brakes

bitkahuna

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what 'people'? i've only seen comments saying it looks great, plus yeah i said it will stomp the q50 so i guess it depends on your definition of 'giant success' which i didn't see anyone claim.