2019 Buick Envision
sorry if you find it not fair, but by your logic, someone in the u.s. should loathe buying a 'japanese' rx made in canada. 
fortunately for canada and lexus, they don't.
anyway, back to the envision. Seems to me this refresh isn't very significant.
fortunately for canada and lexus, they don't.anyway, back to the envision. Seems to me this refresh isn't very significant.
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ah the usual nay saying. another way to look at it... the envision was launched IN CHINA in 2014. it only came to the u.s. as an add on model to the buick line here later one, and it's done well! now the refresh is around to help in the chinese and other markets.
no idea how plummeting resale on old model increases incentives on new models.
gm is quite 'properly run', attending to its leadership market position of Buick in CHINA, and taking advantage of opportunities elsewhere. seems pretty smart to me.
and it's easier to be a critic than an author. NO company has a wholly consistent strategy and a car company with multiple markets, regulations, supply chain constrains, competing feature needs, labor challenges, and on and on, in the end, does the best it can with the challenges and opportunities. gm is doing great. for example, they couldn't foresee that the delays in the tesla 3 would have some who are waiting for tesla 3s give up and jump the chevy bolt. a nice pick up.
no idea how plummeting resale on old model increases incentives on new models.
gm is quite 'properly run', attending to its leadership market position of Buick in CHINA, and taking advantage of opportunities elsewhere. seems pretty smart to me.
and it's easier to be a critic than an author. NO company has a wholly consistent strategy and a car company with multiple markets, regulations, supply chain constrains, competing feature needs, labor challenges, and on and on, in the end, does the best it can with the challenges and opportunities. gm is doing great. for example, they couldn't foresee that the delays in the tesla 3 would have some who are waiting for tesla 3s give up and jump the chevy bolt. a nice pick up.
First off, it doesn't matter when the Envision was launched in China. This is America. And the topic is the Envision from GM of America. What matters with this vehicle is when GM launched it here. My point was they rebooted it far too soon because they launched it far too late. A rare, but dangerous marketing mishap. As I said in my comment, this imbalance deteriorates resale value, which has a chain-reaction effect on new car sales. If GM was run so well, it would have timed the US release better to avoid the calamity. You can try hard to be a good company, but you can fail at your marketing decisions.
Second, GM is NOT properly run and hasn't been for decades. We have seen this a million times in numerous threads and publications. To the point they nearly went bankrupt not too long ago. So I don't think there is any strength in such a comment they are run well. Trying hard and being run well are two different things. They are a suspect company, partly run by old-school, out of touch executives that have very few standout products. Looking at the long list of damaging rebates on the current line-up is a clear lesson.
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You'll have to get used to my nay-saying. I am and have been a critic of the industry for over 30 years, and I call it as I see it. I don't ride your comments, so please don't ride mine. It's taking the fun out of this forum.
First off, it doesn't matter when the Envision was launched in China. This is America. And the topic is the Envision from GM of America. What matters with this vehicle is when GM launched it here. My point was they rebooted it far too soon because they launched it far too late. A rare, but dangerous marketing mishap. As I said in my comment, this imbalance deteriorates resale value, which has a chain-reaction effect on new car sales. If GM was run so well, it would have timed the US release better to avoid the calamity. You can try hard to be a good company, but you can fail at your marketing decisions.
First off, it doesn't matter when the Envision was launched in China. This is America. And the topic is the Envision from GM of America. What matters with this vehicle is when GM launched it here. My point was they rebooted it far too soon because they launched it far too late. A rare, but dangerous marketing mishap. As I said in my comment, this imbalance deteriorates resale value, which has a chain-reaction effect on new car sales. If GM was run so well, it would have timed the US release better to avoid the calamity. You can try hard to be a good company, but you can fail at your marketing decisions.
For me, as a consumer, GM's (or Lexus') decision on the timing of their products in N. AM doesn't bother me. I care more about product execution and that's where the Envision doesn't impress on the interior when I saw it up close, which is a major part of a car purchase to me. Though perhaps to your point, they have internal issues which somehow can be tied to their so-so interiors.
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You'll have to get used to my nay-saying. I am and have been a critic of the industry for over 30 years, and I call it as I see it. I don't ride your comments, so please don't ride mine. It's taking the fun out of this forum.
First off, it doesn't matter when the Envision was launched in China. This is America. And the topic is the Envision from GM of America. What matters with this vehicle is when GM launched it here. My point was they rebooted it far too soon because they launched it far too late. A rare, but dangerous marketing mishap. As I said in my comment, this imbalance deteriorates resale value, which has a chain-reaction effect on new car sales. If GM was run so well, it would have timed the US release better to avoid the calamity. You can try hard to be a good company, but you can fail at your marketing decisions.
Second, GM is NOT properly run and hasn't been for decades. We have seen this a million times in numerous threads and publications. To the point they nearly went bankrupt not too long ago. So I don't think there is any strength in such a comment they are run well. Trying hard and being run well are two different things. They are a suspect company, partly run by old-school, out of touch executives that have very few standout products. Looking at the long list of damaging rebates on the current line-up is a clear lesson.
First off, it doesn't matter when the Envision was launched in China. This is America. And the topic is the Envision from GM of America. What matters with this vehicle is when GM launched it here. My point was they rebooted it far too soon because they launched it far too late. A rare, but dangerous marketing mishap. As I said in my comment, this imbalance deteriorates resale value, which has a chain-reaction effect on new car sales. If GM was run so well, it would have timed the US release better to avoid the calamity. You can try hard to be a good company, but you can fail at your marketing decisions.
Second, GM is NOT properly run and hasn't been for decades. We have seen this a million times in numerous threads and publications. To the point they nearly went bankrupt not too long ago. So I don't think there is any strength in such a comment they are run well. Trying hard and being run well are two different things. They are a suspect company, partly run by old-school, out of touch executives that have very few standout products. Looking at the long list of damaging rebates on the current line-up is a clear lesson.
What matters with this vehicle is when GM launched it here. My point was they rebooted it far too soon because they launched it far too late. A rare, but dangerous marketing mishap.
If GM was run so well, it would have timed the US release better to avoid the calamity.
Second, GM is NOT properly run and hasn't been for decades.
Right now gm is on a roll with trucks, electrics, suvs, performance coupes and sedans. Sure cadillac could be doing better but we all know sedans are in a bad place right now and their xt5 at least is selling well and they do great with the escalade, so not all bad.
but you're certainly entitled to your opinion that they're badly run today and i'm entitled to think you're dead wrong.
Dell computer has coupons and rebates announced every day. Do they have apple's 'status' as a brand? No, but is dell doing well? Hell yes. Not every brand is about high margin high profile sales and marketing.
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