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Old Nov 26, 2017 | 03:34 PM
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Went to do something today. Noticed a fluid leak underneath. Look like it's transmission.

Anyone have experience with leaks? Plan to take it in this Wednesday. Pretty annoying as there are only 102K US miles on the odometer.

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Old Nov 26, 2017 | 03:47 PM
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ANY car will get leaks at over 100k miles. I don't give a crap if it's the most expensive car in the world or the most reliable car in the world.

If you don't like dealing with that, I suggest you get a brand new car and trade for something new every 3 years.

"Pretty annoying" is if it happens on a new car, but at over 100k miles you must be kidding yourself with that comment.

Or did you actually take the usual Toyota reliability claim at face value when they say "just change brake pads and engine oil and you should be good to go to 200k miles".
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Old Nov 26, 2017 | 03:53 PM
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I didn't expect a Toyota to start leaking at 100k. That is all. Don't expect most manufacturers to do that either.
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I didn't expect a Toyota to start leaking at 100k. That is all. Don't expect most manufacturers to do that either.
I hope you're kidding....

Most Toyotas or Lexus especially in the southern states will start leaking somewhere at a good amount before 100k miles. Be it valve cover gaskets, oil pan gaskets, steering racks, etc... leaks happen. Yes even on Toyota and Lexus.

It's not all rainbows and unicorns. Alot of it depends on the climate, dry climate might be ideal because it's nice to not have a rotting frame, but the dry heat will take its toll much quicker on most rubber components that include seals on your engine/trans, weatherstripping, so on and so forth.

We work on Porsches of all generations at my work more than any other cars and those things leak before 10k miles.... yeah $200k Turbo S with oil leaks at under 10k miles. Now that is sad.
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Old Nov 26, 2017 | 03:58 PM
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Toyotas aren't normally known as leakers, unlike some of the Detroit junk from years past - but yeah it's unrealistic to expect a vehicle with 102K to be completely dry underneath. What color is the fluid?
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Toyotas aren't normally known as leakers, unlike some of the Detroit junk from years past - but yeah it's unrealistic to expect a vehicle with 102K to be completely dry underneath. What color is the fluid?
look reddish brown.
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Originally Posted by 97-SC300
I hope you're kidding....

Most Toyotas or Lexus especially in the southern states will start leaking somewhere at a good amount before 100k miles. Be it valve cover gaskets, oil pan gaskets, steering racks, etc... leaks happen. Yes even on Toyota and Lexus.

It's not all rainbows and unicorns. Alot of it depends on the climate, dry climate might be ideal because it's nice to not have a rotting frame, but the dry heat will take its toll much quicker on most rubber components that include seals on your engine/trans, weatherstripping, so on and so forth.

We work on Porsches of all generations at my work more than any other cars and those things leak before 10k miles.... yeah $200k Turbo S with oil leaks at under 10k miles. Now that is sad.
My experience with Toyota has been very good for leaks. Usually can get to 200k without a leak. That is why I am annoyed.

now I am wondering what the costs of these types of repairs are? My first thought is a major $$$ repair.

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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
look reddish brown.
Could be power steering fluid, transmission fluid. Maybe a leak from the power steering pump, or the rear transmission seal or one of the associated o-rings or seals with the transmission or center differential. Not enough info to know because you would have to know exactly where the leak is happening. Front of the vehicle, center or back end.
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Originally Posted by MattyG
Could be power steering fluid, transmission fluid. Maybe a leak from the power steering pump, or the rear transmission seal or one of the associated o-rings or seals with the transmission or center differential. Not enough info to know because you would have to know exactly where the leak is happening. Front of the vehicle, center or back end.
It is coming from where the transmission and engine meet. Right near the axle shaft for the front part of the 4WD unit.
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Here is a photo. I will try to get a better photo tomorrow. It's from the left side of the transmission
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Wow looking at your sig you have a lot of high mileage cars.

100k miles is a LOT.
Our Subaru Legacy just past 12,000 today exactly 1 year since we got it.
Most likely I will try to get rid of it before the lease is up in 2years.
Great car for the money but every year the cars get better and better lol.
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Has the transmission (to your knowledge) ever been power-flushed? Although it usually is not recommended (or listed) as a service-requirement in the Owners' Manual or Maintenance Schedule, smooth- talking service-shops often convince customers to have flushes done every couple of years. Pat Goss, Lead Technician for Motorweek (I know you watch that show, with John Davis), is well-known for pushing that service (Goss also owns his own independent repair-shop). And, yes, IF DONE CORRECTLY, flushing will get out most of the dirt and metallic-particles that ordinary fluid/filter changes don't get, and keep the inside of the transmission like new. But careless hook-up and operation of the power-flusher could do more harm than good. Too little pressure won't get the dirt out, and be a waste of time. Too much pressure could harm or damage the seals / gaskets and other parts that prevent leaks, shortening their life and leading to just the kind of stuff you're beginning to see.
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04 is supposed to be a sealed unit.
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Old Nov 26, 2017 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
04 is supposed to be a sealed unit.
A sealed unit (depending on the specific design) doesn't necessarily mean that there are no seals/gaskets or other potential leak-points. What that means is that you have no drain plug or other means of unscrewing or disassembling anything to let the fluid drain out and be changed. Fluid-changes (if possible) are done with a tube and a vacuum-device to suck the old fluid out.

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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
It is coming from where the transmission and engine meet. Right near the axle shaft for the front part of the 4WD unit.
Bell housing gasket leak could be one possibility but if it's right at the axle shaft then it's a possible front differential leak right at the axle seal where the CV shaft mates with the differential. These guys here describe something similar.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-ge...ferential.html

But check your transmission dipstick before you drive too much further in case you really have lost some transmission fluid.
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